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In Sept 1917 the Steamship Mendi was transporting about 700 Black South Africans wh were memebres of teh South African Native Labour Corp to France. These men were all volunteers who were not allowed to carry arms by the South African govenrment because that was reserved for white men. In the fog in the channel the the Mendi struck another ship and began to take water rapidly. Realizing the ship was going down the mens Indunas lined them up on the deck of the stricken ship and began to regale the men with stories of their great ancestos who had fought the white men at Islandwana and inb teh Cape Frontier wars. Telling the men that it was important to die like warroiors they begna to perform a Zulu War dance on the deck of the Mendi which continued as the ship sank. 700 men drowned in that disaster. None could swim. Although Jan Smuts did read a message of condolence in parliament it is only now that these men are being taught about in our school history books. Courage doesn't come in colours.
 
The Irish who served in WWI are in some ways tragic figures. They were all volunteers who served the empire and earned the distrust of the Republicans fro ever after. they went to war with Irelan part of the empire. At the outbreak of war the Liberals were trying to get Home Rule for Ireland but were bitterly opposed by the Toris and the Ulster Unionists who were determined to resist this by fair means or foul. With the outbreak of war Home Rule was suspended and the Irish were urged to join the fight and let political solutions wait for after the war. It was the Easter 1916 uprising which the British army over-reacted to using excessive force and executing the ringleaders whihc changed the sentiment in Ireland and lead directly to the IRA's war agaist the British. This was a brutal geurilla war in which both sides committed atrocities. Lolyd George and Churchill bot eventually admitted defeat and came up with another solution of partition. This satisfied nobody and set the secne for frther ongoing strife in teh North which has only recently come to some sort of conclusion. So the poor old Dublin Fusiliers came back home pariahs in their own land. They had colluded with teh British not like the gallant members of teh IRA who had fought the hated Black and Tans. It is the ordianry soldier who pays the price for political laziness and failure. Putting off a ploitical solution for short term objectives can have disastrous long term consequences. It is strange to think that young people in Northen Ireland in teh 1980's were being made to suffer because of the laziness of politicans in the early part of the century. There is a lesson in here somewhere for some of our current conflicts
 
The Irish who served in WWI are in some ways tragic figures. They were all volunteers who served the empire and earned the distrust of the Republicans fro ever after. they went to war with Irelan part of the empire.

I had great grandfathers and granduncles who served in WWI. They came back to a very changed Ireland in the post-WWI era, as there was an insurgency raging for the next 2 years, and a civil war thereafter. Still though, it was strange that for years they still kept low-key Poppy Day remembrance ceremonies, as they were reluctant to participate in something that they felt had been hijacked by unionists, which in turn helped the latter monopolise it even more. Anyway in more recent years it has become appropriate to remember those who died in WWI. (However, unlike the Czechs or Poles, the post-WWI settlement in Ireland was very much 'unfinished business' for a significant portion of the population and some still refuse to honour anyone who served in British uniforms).

One small piece of history will be made today: England will play Ireland in Croke Park. This stadium is the home of the GAA, which are the body who organise 2 of Ireland's most popular sports - Gaelic football and hurling. These are amateur sports, and the GAA have always had a rivalry with soccer and rugby, not to mention that perhaps their northern Irish teams are almost exclusively drawn from those of a nationalist background. The Irish rugby ground, Lansdowne Road, is being redeveloped and thus the GAA have very reluctantly agreed to host rugby matches. Croke Park was the scene of one atrocity on 21st November 1920 when British forces fired on fans and players watching a football match. Michael Hogan of the Tipperary team was shot in the massacre, and the Hogan stand is named after him.

The killings arose as a consequence of the assassination of a number of British agents (the 'Gairo Gang'). The British authorities believed that the killings had been arranged to coincide with the large crowds of young men in the city for the Dublin -Tipperary GAA match, as the throngs of people had provided cover.

See the following link (partially inaccurate re the names of the British agents):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo_Gang

See also 'Bloody Sunday' in Croke Park:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1920)

The GAA have often been accused of nursing grievances and not moving on, but their point has always been that they are never allowed do so - their supporters are regularly targeted by unionist paramilitaries and part of their GAA grounds (eg Crossmaglen) have been confiscated by British authorities in the past. At least today provides a normal, sporting occasion in Anglo-Irish relations. It should be remembered too that the Irish rugby team is an all-Ireland one, and that its support in the North is generally from those of a unionist background - they would never visit a GAA ground in Northern Ireland and it is great to see them travel down in such numbers to visit the GAA headquarters at Croke Park.

Back to the WWI theme, many northern unionists will visit the WWI memorial park in Islandbridge whilst in Dublin for the match!
 
I hope England aren't playing Ireland at hurling, they'll get murdered!
That is the most lethal sport I've seen played!
 
England got murdered.
In O Driscoll we trust
Mind you Ireland aslo saw off our Springboks late last year
So all power to them
 
I got my CF 009 - World War I - German Inf. Soldier today from Hong Kong - he looks great. This is going to be a great range to collect. :D
 
I got my CF 009 - World War I - German Inf. Soldier today from Hong Kong - he looks great. This is going to be a great range to collect. :D

Soooo, Napoleonics, WWII and now WWI.
Ron, this forum seems to be getting expensive for you. Glad I'm not the only one with little will power where it comes to toy soldiers. :)

Simon
 
Soooo, Napoleonics, WWII and now WWI.
Ron, this forum seems to be getting expensive for you. Glad I'm not the only one with little will power where it comes to toy soldiers. :)

Simon

Simon

Dont forget American Revolution, Romans and Civil War (past and upcomming) - I am doomed :(

Ron
 

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