Golden Age of Toy vSoldiers Over? (1 Viewer)

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A few months back, maybe a year ago, someone posted about this being the golden age of toy soldiers, the best time ever. A year ago I would have agreed, but I,m afraid that time has passed.
NMA went out of business, HB has cut back. ONTC are very sporadic with releases, Britains have admitted problems in getting items produced in China.
As for plastic, Conte, very little, TSSD still coming out with sets but admits their cost of production is way up.
FOV, nothing new this year, 21st Century looks to be on the ropes.
I guess all good things come to an end, keeps a little more money in my pocket, but I would rather have it the old way.
You guys got any thoughts?
Gary
 
For me, this is still the Golden Age, but I must admit I wish I had taken an interest in the Honour Bound Golden Edition vehicles earlier. If there was one thing I would campaign to bring back, it would be these amazing vehicles.
 
Since the advent of fully-round, solid-cast figures in France in the 1780s (or so), there have been hundreds of smaller makers who have come and gone, and a couple of larger companies that made the majority of the figures sold at any given time. At the turn of the 19th to 20th centuries, think Britain, Heyde and Mignot as the giants, followed by smaller companies.

Fast-forward to the 20's and 30's. You still had Britain, Mignot, and Heyde, but there were some American makers emerging, pioneering a unique American style, the dimestore figure. And makers like Manoil and Barclay had a score of smaller makers operating in their shadows.

Fast-forward another 10 years, to the immediate post-WWII period. Heyde was gone, as were most of the smaller German makers, bombed out during the war. So were many of the smaller American makers. Britain still dominated the market, but that market was evolving, as plastic became more common as a material. Bergen Toys (Beton) here in the states was a good example of a manufacturer who took advantage of the new medium.

But at that same time, there was another generation of small makers emerging. Many were really hobbyists and artists at the same time, who pursued a more detailed figure than what was available on the market. Imrie, Risley, and Jack Scheid here in the States, and Charles Stadden and Russell Gammage in the UK, were all starting to develop what would lead ultimately to the conoisseur figures of today. But smaller makers came and went, many no larger than cottage or garage industries, casting and painting small numbers of figures, sold in the various shops some of us remember, or as often as not, through the mail. Sometimes they went out of business, only to start up again, with a new business name at another time.

Meanwhile, along with plastic production in Hong Kong, metal figures were coming out of China (eg, King-White). Britain had finally ended its hollowcast line, and metal toy soldiers reached a nadir, compared to their popularity in the first half of the century.

Then we had the collectors figure develop, and we're up to the late '70s and the '80s. And in that time, we still have a couple of larger companies, in terms of their volume, who represent a majority of market share, with a larger number of smaller makers, who have lower production, and lower sales numbers, and who go out of business more frequently.

I see it as cyclical, with some rhythms repeating in terms of decades. And I think that in terms of the quality and variety of what is available to the collector, and especially considering the diversity of the collectorship today, from guys who just buy commercially-made finished figures, to those of us who buy figures, bash 'em and paint them, I do think this is a golden age for toy soldiers.

If things are rough in China, just wait-India is poised for an explosion of growth, and the cost of skilled labor might be cheaper there, in the near future, than it is becoming in China.

Prost, beianand!
Brad
 
An admirable and accurate synopsis, Brad, you have summed up the progression of the hobby in detail. Some further points to add to your comments. Back in the late fifties and early sixties there were no magazines devoted to the subject, and very, very few reference books. Today there is a mass of information available before we even start thinking about the internet. In the same period there was a scarcity of figures covering particular periods, if you wanted something that wasn't available you had to convert it. There were more hands on modellers than there are now. At the present time makers are scratching their heads trying to find something that hasn't been covered, there is such a plethora to choose from. With regard to the "dominant" companies they are the ones with the biggest budgets who can afford to splash out on full page colour advertising. The smaller makers cannot afford this outlay and, as you say, are often the first to go to the wall.
 
Thanks, trooper, and yours are good and valid observations, too.

You know, in scale modeling, there's a similar discussion, and actually, modeling and toy soldiers have gone through some similar evolutions. And many modelers say the same thing about our time, that this is a golden age, in terms of the variety available to the hobbyist.

Sure, there's nostalgia for kits from our childhood, but when you look at the Eduard 1/48 Fw-190 kit and compare it to an old Aurora or Frog kit, it's like looking at a John Jenkins Roger's Ranger and comparing it to, say, an old Johillco figure. And then think about how many makers are out there now, producing figures of similar quality.

And as to producers going out of business, I'm not too worried about that, either, as a collector. If one maker had a product that was popular, but for whatever other reasons, he had to close up shop, the likelihood is high that his molds may get passed to another maker (eg, Fleurbaix, who has revived the lines of other makers who have gone, or John Eden, with the Rose and Phoenix molds).

All in all, I think it's a good time to be a toy soldier collector.

Prost!
Brad
 
A few months back, maybe a year ago, someone posted about this being the golden age of toy soldiers, the best time ever. A year ago I would have agreed, but I,m afraid that time has passed.
NMA went out of business, HB has cut back. ONTC are very sporadic with releases, Britains have admitted problems in getting items produced in China.
As for plastic, Conte, very little, TSSD still coming out with sets but admits their cost of production is way up.
FOV, nothing new this year, 21st Century looks to be on the ropes.
I guess all good things come to an end, keeps a little more money in my pocket, but I would rather have it the old way.
You guys got any thoughts?
Gary

Agreed quite a bit,,while variety in all Hobbies has never been better prices have never been higher while labor costs are non existent with a roomful of chicom slaves mass painting items,,I doubt many younger types can entry level much hobby related items today as I did as a kid or based on video gaming compared to anything,not a lot of younger faces.
 
A few months back, maybe a year ago, someone posted about this being the golden age of toy soldiers, the best time ever. A year ago I would have agreed, but I,m afraid that time has passed.
NMA went out of business, HB has cut back. ONTC are very sporadic with releases, Britains have admitted problems in getting items produced in China.
As for plastic, Conte, very little, TSSD still coming out with sets but admits their cost of production is way up.
FOV, nothing new this year, 21st Century looks to be on the ropes.
I guess all good things come to an end, keeps a little more money in my pocket, but I would rather have it the old way.
You guys got any thoughts?
Gary
Gary, how much stuff can you have in a year? I just have plastics, and I'm over run with it. I know you have tons of Conte stuff, plus converts, you also seem to be deep into metals. I think the Toy Soldier Golden age is still booming. It has been a slight slow down due to the high gas prices and loss of jobs. But all in all, I think it's going pretty good. There is always new stuff coming out. There are all different scales, 72,1/18, and GI Joes, I don't think any hobbies are moving along this good, I could be wrong.:)
 
A few months back, maybe a year ago, someone posted about this being the golden age of toy soldiers, the best time ever. A year ago I would have agreed, but I,m afraid that time has passed.
NMA went out of business, HB has cut back. ONTC are very sporadic with releases, Britains have admitted problems in getting items produced in China.
As for plastic, Conte, very little, TSSD still coming out with sets but admits their cost of production is way up.
FOV, nothing new this year, 21st Century looks to be on the ropes.
I guess all good things come to an end, keeps a little more money in my pocket, but I would rather have it the old way.
You guys got any thoughts?
Gary
I think the best is getting better in this hobby. Yes some manufactures may leave the business but as Brad notes, others will fill the gaps and the overall quality and realism continues to improve. Prices are rising for these items, but they are generally for many things. I am excited by the new Conte poseable plastic figures and their promising ZW upcoming releases. Likewise the current and planned Napoleonic releases from First Legion are simply amazing. The same appears true for the EoI Romans. Then there are stalwarts of Britain and K&C who keep coming up with highly desirable releases. Frankly, there is just not enough time or money to keep up. So yes I would say that if the golden age is not here, it is coming soon.
 
We should probably call it the silver age as many of us have that color appearing in our hair, well at least those of you that have hair.
 
We should probably call it the silver age as many of us have that color appearing in our hair, well at least those of you that have hair.
Depends on your choice of coloring, you could get to gold.:D
 
Not me, I shave my head and have the rest of my body hair hand plucked by virgins.
 
A few months back, maybe a year ago, someone posted about this being the golden age of toy soldiers, the best time ever. A year ago I would have agreed, but I,m afraid that time has passed.
NMA went out of business, HB has cut back. ONTC are very sporadic with releases, Britains have admitted problems in getting items produced in China.
As for plastic, Conte, very little, TSSD still coming out with sets but admits their cost of production is way up.
FOV, nothing new this year, 21st Century looks to be on the ropes.
I guess all good things come to an end, keeps a little more money in my pocket, but I would rather have it the old way.
You guys got any thoughts?
Gary

I have no idea what the golden age is and isn't because I guess my passion for Toy soldiers sparked in the "golden age".
 
The golden age I say is over. Were are in the age with challenges and many other things.
 
What? Its over? Did I miss something again?

As long as Andy keeps pushing the envelope its not over.

I'm not saying you have to be a King & Country fan.......I'm just saying

Andy is currently leading the resurgence in the marketplace.

As he continues to release new and exciting items new people, and

new companies will be attracted.

Its a shame when a company leaves the scene but we don't know their

business plan or financial position which lead to this decision.

I thought my New York Style Hot Dog Carts would be a hit in Atlanta......

who knew it would be a flop?

Ah.......the wife!:eek:
 

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From what I've seen, the Golden Age of Toy Soldiers actually ended in the early 2000's.

When I had been managing the store in NYC in the late 1990's, there were so many producers I could product from in a relatively fast time frame (even cottage industry British producers) that I never was lacking for something different coming in nearly every week and at really good prices given better conversion rates. I mean, a great St Petersburg figure was $65 to $90 for a foot figure and mtds for like $175 to $250.

When I took over the store in 2004 I was really saddend to see a number of makers had folded, passed away and 6 month + wait times for products.

Frontline couldn't ship one of my orders so they sent me a hodge-podge shipment, Trophy was near impossible to get, Conte had major wait times past what they committed to, Britains was still run by RC2 and the product was awful, TAW gone, HECO gone, a few other makers were very sporadic, Tommy Atkins 9 months +, etc.

The only reliable makers were K&C, FoV and Tradition.

I know a bunch of you will not agree or argue the point but this is just my 2 cents.
 
Hi Gideon

Hard to argue with a store owner who has the facts of shipping and availablity times. I would sadly agree that a lot of truly fantstic companies have gone away, but I see some hope on the horizon that there are companies stepping up to the plate and working towards filling those gaps. Britains has had a wonderful reawakening under Richard Walker and Ken Osen and will be a force to reccon with for a long while to come. Others like Figarti and Collectors Showcase are turning out fantastic sets and I am sure we will see some very good times in the not too distant future.

So dont give up quite yet.

All the best

Dave
 
For once I have to disagree with my good friend Gideon.

I certainly rue the failure of Trophy, Heco, NMA and so many other producers in the past 5 years, but the resurgence of Britains (kudos to Richard Walker and Ken Osen), the rise of King & Country (ditto to Andy & Gordon Neilson), the continued success of Frontline (ditto to Gerard Prime), Bill Hocker and Beau Geste (ditto to the Donzinos), the rebirth of Imperial and the birth of Figarti (ditto the Wangs), John Jenkins Designs (nice work John), Little Legion and Honour Bound, makes this the golden age of collecting, if you like both quality and choice.
 

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