I like K & C but sometimes!!!!!! (1 Viewer)

Other than placing the Elefant in the Battle of the Bulge range, what errors are there. The camo is correct for Eastern Front late war. There are no unit insignia to be incorrect. The vehicle number may not be correct, but the original Ferdinands were the 5th, 6th and 7th companies of Abt. 653 , each company of 3 platoons of 4 vehicles each. So the only part of the number which may not be correct is the 5 in the number 625 (6th company, 2nd platoon, 5th tank)

Other than publicizing the Elefant in the Battle of the Bulge range as there is no Italy or eastern Front range, I don't see any errors on the actual model.

Terry
 
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Being compared to toyota is a pretty good thing. I had umbilical hernia fixed and my odds of dying during the procedure were 1 in 50,000. Toyota allegedly has 314 injuries and 11 deaths out of 40 million vehicles sold and they can not definitively say if the part in question caused these accidents as it has not been able to be reproduced. So kc being compared to toyota with it's proven record should be an honour. As for kc and falshirmjager, i know they can do the best job as tommy gunn's summer camo just doesn't look right. I have seen the actual uniforms in person. The time will come when andy will do them. Great ideas with the brumbar and wirblewind.
 
HAWKEYE said:
As for kc and falshirmjager, i know they can do the best job as tommy gunn's summer camo just doesn't look right. I have seen the actual uniforms in person.
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The smocks on the TGM fallschrimjagers replicates the "tan water pattern" worn in 1943-45. I have numerous reference books on this subject and they have nailed the pattern.

The other pattern worn as a water pattern was referred to as splinter; the colors were the same, the difference was the camo pattern, that is it.

Not sure what actual uniform you have seen in person, but these are the two patterns the German Fallschrimjagers wore.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled complaining...............
 
george, the best way to explain it is this. the first falschirmjagers that kc did nailed the splinter pattern perfectly except thay were advertised for dday and they were wearing tan pants and helmuts instead of luftwaffe bluegray which would have fit into normandy. the dark patches were hard or straight edged. maybe i am looking at them wrong but the pictures i have seen look splochy edged not hard straight lines. i am not trying to put tommy gunn down because the winter fj's i got look great, i am glad you showed me them in chicago.
 
HAWKEYE said:
george, the best way to explain it is this. the first falschirmjagers that kc did nailed the splinter pattern perfectly except thay were advertised for dday and they were wearing tan pants and helmuts instead of luftwaffe bluegray which would have fit into normandy. the dark patches were hard or straight edged. maybe i am looking at them wrong but the pictures i have seen look splochy edged not hard straight lines. i am not trying to put tommy gunn down because the winter fj's i got look great, i am glad you showed me them in chicago.
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The problem is there are two patterns and splinter is one of them. It has sharper edges and a jagged look to it, while the other pattern is more splochy as you described, so the TGM pattern is correct, as is the K & C first version..............
 
well george, i just went and looked in my books which are all hard edged but you have other sources showing another. so be it. i just went and checked out the tgunn forum section which i have not visited for awhile. and boy those new sets look pretty darn good. great poses, anti tank guns. i really am beginning to think maybe kc has lost here as the set look pretty darn nice.
 
"i really am beginning to think maybe kc has lost here as the set look pretty darn nice".

A strange comment. Just becuase another manufacturer has made a nice item does not mean K&C has "lost" anything. I guess that must mean CS and Figarti also "lost". Looking at it the other way TG has lost because it has not done Naps, ACW, vehicles etc etc.

Regards
Brett
 
Hi brett, i am not talking about losing everything, i am talking about losing the chance to be the major player in dday fjs, and i said maybe. I am not attacking kc as i have quite a substantial collection and have most everything produced since the fall of 1995. I just take this fj thing a little personnal as i once recieved what i took as a talking down to in public at a dinner in chicago last year. After which qiute few collectors came up to me and thanked me for broaching the subject as they really wanted kc to do dd fjs.
 
Andy answers back!

Hi Guys,

Interesting and illuminating post “I like K&C but sometimes!!!” As you might expect I take issue with a couple of comments… Re Combat’s assertion, “that K&C is not a customer friendly company”.

Now, if this were true K&C would, quite rightly, have disappeared down the plug hole a long, long time ago.

Myself, and indeed, the entire K&C team take customer relations very seriously indeed. Every day we answer and reply to emails, faxes and phone calls that came into us from all over the world. Often emails, when addressed to me will be answered directly by me on a same day basis.

Another important way K&C keep in touch with our collectors and dealers is our “overseas tours” where we get to “meet ‘n’ greet” literally hundreds of collectors and get to hear of their “wants, likes and must-haves”. Plus we also get to hear of any gripes, complaints and dissatisfaction.

In December we were in London, Paris, Florence and Rome… Later this month (and next) we will be in L.A. (Westcoaster)… Boston… Highland Falls and New York (Symposium) and then down to San Antonio and finally back to L.A.

In June it’s back to Australia with Brisbane and Sydney on the menu. At all of these places and events we get to meet and talk personally with many, many collectors jut like you (and me). If that sounds like an individual or a company that is not friendly to customer’s comments and opinions well maybe Combat is right and I am wrong!!!

Now, a couple of other wee niggles…

Hawkeye says that I “talked down” to him at the Treefrog dinner because he requested a Jagdtiger and some Normandy Fallschirmjager… To be honest I don’t remember saying “NO” to the Jagdtiger (I actually quite like it). But I did say I had no interest in doing Normandy FJ. In the last two years we had already produced two series of FJ’s… Early War and Desrt/ Italy… and so for me enough was enough… for the moment.

Here’s the problem guys… Hawkeye for instance… loves Normandy FJ”s—that’s what he wants… and he wants it now! No ifs… No buts and NO ands!!!

K&C does not work like that, we also have our likes, dislikes. We also have our plans, schedules and strategies that, lucky for us, seem to suit most collectors… most of the time.

As I’ve said many time before some collectors want what they want… and they want it now… no excuses! So, if on occasion, another company does something we’ve not done… so be it. C’est la vie… c’est la guerre!

Finally, as most of you already know, I love this hobby and business to death… I am passionate about it and about K&C. If I have something to say I’ll say it… if not I’ll shut up.

Best wishes and happy collecting!
Andy C.

P.S. Glad to see our moderator “Britfarmer” agrees with all of Combat’s comments.
 
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I have to agree with Andy. I think K&C does an excellent job when is comes to being "customer friendly". 2009 was my 1st year at the Chicago show and I was very impressed how friendly and courteous the K&C team was. When I asked questions I didn't feel like I was a burden. I didn't get the quick shaft but rather a detailed answer to my questions. Also I attended the K&C dinner. If that isn't customer friendly then I don't know what is. Andy puts himself up infront of some of his biggest critics and fields questions from anyone about anything. What more could you ask for? It may not always be the answer your looking for (for the record I wanted Normandy FJs to :D) but at least he is realistic and lets you know what his future interest are (after all it is his company). I would also like to point out a little contest that K&C held awhile ago giving away a free pakwagen, he didn't have to do that but showed alot of character because he did. Keep up the good work Andy!
 
If I can join in here,over the past five or six years whether it be in a pm or in person in London I have asked Andy dozens and dozens of questions or given my opinions on a large number of his releases.He has never failed to answer my points and its always done in a friendly and polite manner and with real enthusiasm.

I like FJ's as much as the next collector (my favourite being the Crete versions)but I realise that giving a range a break now and again is a good thing.The US Paras had many realeases and then had a break,and we now see some new ones returning to the fray.One of the best things about K&C is the wide range of figures they produce and I'm sure the FJ's will return in the future.

As for a Jagdtiger,YES PLEASE!:D:cool:

Rob
 
Hawkeye,
I think Andy has probably answered some points but your comment
"i am talking about losing the chance to be the major player in dday fjs"
pretty much sums up the problem Andy has in satisfying everybody. I don't think Andy can be the major player in every collectors area of interest. I had been nagging him about Zulu War figures for years and respect his right to decide not to go that way as many others have done it.
As he said he had recently done two series of FJ's and now that TG has covered FJ's also then there is little point to go back there again soon.
No matter how enthusiastic some collectors might be about Normandy FJ's it would not make coimmercial sense for K&C to do them so soon after retiring two FJ series and following so close after the TG FJ figures.
K&C's range covers 2,000 years and I think he has enough planned to keep the majority of collectors happy. I know from looking back at an old email (DEC 2008), about a WWII BMW, he is planning a long way ahead.
Just look at his diorama items of the Desert Village and the Jetty and recent releases and you can see some very good planning ahead.
I can see you are a K&C fan but unfortunately K&C can't keep all of the collectors happy all of the time. I seem to recall after his Chicago talk a couple of forum members (including a moderator) had a go at K&C for not planning to do the Tuskagee airmen. The fact he was doing RAF, Luftwaffe and USAF was just not enough.
Regards
Brett
PS Hawkeye ...don't forget the British Paras !!!
 
Hmmmmm, that contest was so long ago. Its on the tip of my tongue but I just can't think of the fellas name :D
 
Brett,

We didn't have a "go" at him for not wanting to make the Tuskegee airmen but for some off the cuff comments about why he didn't.
 
LOL - I see things don't really change here at Treefrog Forum.....

I am amazed at all the personalization that is going on here if King & Country doesn't make this item or that ? - OMG, gentlemen - MAN UP !

It is a World Wide Business - which requires an appeal that must sell around the World !

We are very fortunate to have so much information and access from King & Country. Who else puts out MONTHLY production schedules ??

Andy is one of the most reachable makers of the Toy Soldier Industry - some of the complaints - here in this thread - come from the CONVERSATIONS YOU HAD WITH HIM during one of his numerous appearances !! :eek:

Look - if you want to groan & moan - hey, thats your right. But, please - lets be honest - there is NO OTHER TOY SOLDIER MAKER WHO IS MORE ACCESSIBLE THAN ANDY NEILSON !

I personally think its great that King & Country makes so many different items and has so many different ranges - some I want - some I do not - thats what collecting is all about.

We should throw roses at his feet for all the choices he and K&C has given us over the years - no one told him he had to do it ! Yes - he is a businessman and makes a profit - but, he is also a visionary - he led our hobby into the 21st Century and made the advances in our hobby that other Toy Makers have copied for their own profits.

Without Andy Neilson - collecting Toy Soldiers would be something less than it is today.

Let us not forget how we got here in this place and time of Toy Soldier Collecting.

I am happy to see Figarti, CS, Britains, TG, Conte and others taking advantage of the renaissance in the Toy Soldier World that King & Country created. I collect their items too and love them - but, I always know in the back of my mind where we came from since 1984.

It can be frustrating not to get the particular range or figures you want - hey remember my SEMINOLES! (still a very profitable and great idea !! :D) - but thats up to the business guy who has to do what makes his business work - not me the collector.

I am sure the haters will come out on this one - and maybe I will get popped by Shannon again from some transgression which I have caused. But, lets face it - we - the Modern Toy Soldier Collector - owe a lot to Mr. Andy Neilson and King & Country.

In My Opinion - Of Course ;)
 
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Capitolron said:
LOL - I see things don't really change here at Treefrog Forum.....

I am amazed at all the personalization that is going on here if King & Country doesn't make this item or that ? - OMG, gentlemen - MAN UP !

It is a World Wide Business - which requires an appeal that must sell around the World !

We are very fortunate to have so much information and access from King & Country. Who else puts out MONTHLY production schedules ??

Andy is one of the most reachable makers of the Toy Soldier Industry - some of the complaints - here in this thread - come from the CONVERSATIONS YOU HAD WITH HIM during one of his numerous appearances !! :eek:

Look - if you want to groan & moan - hey, thats your right. But, please - lets be honest - there is NO OTHER TOY SOLDIER MAKER WHO IS MORE ACCESSIBLE THAN ANDY NEILSON !

I personally think its great that King & Country makes so many different items and has so many different ranges - some I want - some I do not - thats what collecting is all about.

We should throw roses at his feet for all the choices he and K&C has given us over the years - no one told him he had to do it ! Yes - he is a businessman and makes a profit - but, he is also a visionary - he led our hobby into the 21st Century and made the advances in our that other Toy Makers have copied for their own profits.

Without Andy Neilson - collecting Toy Soldiers would be something less than it is today.

Let us not forget how we got here in this place and time of Toy Soldier Collecting.

I am happy to see Figarti, CS, Britains, TG, Conte and others taking advantage of the renaissance in the Toy Soldier World that King & Country created. I collect their items too and love them - but, I always know in the back of my mind where we came from since 1984.

It can be frustrating not to get the particular range or figures you want - hey remember my SEMINOLES! (still a very profitable and great idea !! :D) - but thats up to the business guy who has to do what makes his business work - not me the collector.

I am sure the haters will come out on this one - and maybe I will get popped by Shannon again from some transgression which I have caused. But, lets face it - we - the Modern Toy Soldier Collector - owe a lot to Mr. Andy Neilson and King & Country.

In My Opinion - Of Course ;)
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Here here, well said. I agree ( except for the Seminoles:D ). Everyone wants their historical interests made, just be patient, good things come to those who wait. K&C has delivered more times than not and if you don't like it you can shop elsewhere. ;)
 
Wrong issue guys. Like politicans trying to spin away. It's not what KC decides to make or not make. It's how they respond to errors or criticism of their products (i.e. silence or go pound sand) that is troubling. Andy may be the nicest guy in the world, but most collectors have contact with KC only through buying products, reading ads, or the blurbs here on the forum. Once again Andy provides no explanation for the WWI German car, Hitler maps, and other snafus. If he is taking "artistic license" then just "man up" and say so. Frankly, I think they are just screw ups that he refuses to admit and make right.
 
"What Andy likes, Andy makes." "What I like, I buy!" Funny I don't spend a lot of time wondering why Andy won't make the Mk.2Fokker Wulf Scheissen-Schlepper Mit Strudellhumppen und Wanker Kannone Blitzflieger. Though I have a perfectly good rendition of it hanging in the TS room:D:D:D:D:D
 
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