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[Rob]

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Did I see somewhere that the stowage on this new baby is removable?

Rob

 

[Jagdpanther]

Im not really sure but this is what is says in the description, [“back-pack” of extra supplies] So I would think it would be removable just like they done before.

 

[Rob]

Im not really sure but this is what is says in the description, [“back-pack” of extra supplies] So I would think it would be removable just like they done before.

Titus,yes you are right,it also says the Radio Antenna is removable,I am hoping the stowage can be removed as it would make for some good multiple dio options.

Rob

 

[Wraith]

I was thinking that the stowage looked removable when I saw the first pics, so that would be my guess.

 

[hoogri]

removable parts of not i want this model .
richard

 

[forlornhoper]

Antenna is an excellent addition to the model,a must for all Afvs for me , ken

 

[wwiibuff]

Firefly looks great and with removable storage and antenna, all the better.

Question though, of all the wartime photos of fireflies I've seen the muzzle brake was more of a globular shape than this one. Did fireflies have different shaped muzzle brakes? Terry (phantom warrior) with your knowledge of WWII tanks, I suspect you might could answer this.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Firefly looks great and with removable storage and antenna, all the better.

Question though, of all the wartime photos of fireflies I've seen the muzzle brake was more of a globular shape than this one. Did fireflies have different shaped muzzle brakes? Terry (phantom warrior) with your knowledge of WWII tanks, I suspect you might could answer this.

Right. I'm an expert on muzzle brakes.

I actually have read a fair bit on muzzle brakes, their design and use, but cannot give a definitive answer on your Firefly question. I can't remember seeing any photos of Fireflys with non-globular muzzle brakes, but I would not have been specifically looking for that.

The first 2 photos show globular muzzle brakes which was used even after WW2. The other photos show a more rectangular muzzel brake on the 17 pdr field gun including one that looks like a single muzzle brake. I know that a few different muzzle brakes were tested on Firefly 17 pdrs (including a test with no muzzle brake). I don't know if the rectangular muzzle brake was used on a Firefly 17 pdr.

 

[wwiibuff]

Thanks for the info Terry. I've probably seen about 30 photos of WWII fireflies in different books and they all have the globular muzzle brake. It would seem to be at the least the most common one for the 17 pounder tank gun mount.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Thanks for the info Terry. I've probably seen about 30 photos of WWII fireflies in different books and they all have the globular muzzle brake. It would seem to be at the least the most common one for the 17 pounder tank gun mount.

Probably the most common on a Firefly and it was almost certainly the latest version. It was even used by the Israelis after 1948 (the photo of the field gun with the globular muzzle brake).

Terry

 

[Blowtorch]

Right. I'm an expert on muzzle brakes.
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I was just reading Baryatinsky's book on the JS-2 over the weekend & was surprised to learn that they used a German style muzzle brake even on production tanks until about May 1944 (so that would be 6 months of production with Nazi style muzzle brakes). I thought that fascinating. You can add that to your database

 

[Phantom Warrior]

In Post #1 of this thread, the 2nd photo of the K&C Firefly looks like it has a ball shaped muzzle brake, but it looks different in the first photo - not really a ball. But it is definitely not the rectangular muzzle brake on the 17 pdr field guns. I have to think it is supposed to be the globular muzzle brake but isn't quite rounded enough, but the shape and location of the baffles look correct.

And it looks to me like the muzzle brake on the Figarti Firefly is exactly the same as the K&C model. Don't get me started on conspiracy theories

Terry

 

[Rob]

It is probably a trick of the camera that has made Terry think there is a diff in the pictures I posted.The Muzzle was actually more egg Egg shaped than round,It was also modified in later versions to allow it to Fire APDS Shells with more accuracy,perhaps this could explain the difference in some photos that do seem to show a larger muzzle break.

Rob

 

[Phantom Warrior]

It is probably a trick of the camera that has made Terry think there is a diff in the pictures I posted.The Muzzle was actually more egg Egg shaped than round,It was also modified in later versions to allow it to Fire APDS Shells with more accuracy,perhaps this could explain the difference in some photos that do seem to show a larger muzzle break.

Rob

Yes, it was modified in later versions to allow it to fire APDS shells, but those changes were internal. But maybe the shape did change slightly over time. In order to prevent madness from staring at photos of egg shaped muzzle brakes, I've banned wwiibuff from asking anymore questions

Terry

 

[Rob]

In order to prevent madness from staring at photos of egg shaped muzzle brakes, I've banned wwiibuff from asking anymore questions

Terry

I must say though it is difficult in some pics to make out if they are egg shaped or more rounded.

Rob