New 7 years War Cavalry (1 Viewer)

[Obee]

I got an email in from Tradition today informing me of their new set of 7YW Cavalry,
this time its The Scots Grey’s, An officer and two Troopers

Toy Soldiers Set 656

As you can see they troopers have drawn swords, while the officer is holding his reins, while they walk along.

The costs are Painted £83.75 or castings £14.95 ea.

This is a welcome set for those of us looking for more troops of this era.

Also this month, they are showing a 10% discount for 17th Lancers Toy Soldiers Set 115 so the Crimean War is also being catered for.

John

 

[theBaron]

Finally! Some new Seven Years War figures, and cavalry, to boot! (pun intended )

Thanks for the heads-up, John! I didn't know these were coming out. The only other maker who has anything similar right now is John Eden, and Tradition kits are easier for me to get.

They're nice-looking figures, they look like they maintain Tradition's usual high standard for quality.

The North British Dragoons were sent to the Continent, after Cumberland was recalled and Brunswick had assumed command, weren't they? Were they at Minden? I have to check my sources.

Prost!
Brad

 

[Dragoon]

These look nice. I've been looking for some castings to start painting again, so why not start with these. Hope to see them followed up w/ some French mtd. troops.

I don't know if the Royal North Dragoons (Greys) were at Minden, but they were with Cumberland at Fontenoy - 3 squadrons in the third brigade under the command of Lt. Gen. Campbell.

 

[Obee]

Brad,

according the British Battles website the following cavalry Regiments were at Minden

Royal Horse Guards: now the Blues and Royals
1st Dragoon Guards: now the Queen’s Dragoon Guards
3rd Dragoon Guards: later the 3rd Carabineers and now the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards
The Royal Scots Greys: now the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards
10th Dragoons

So you were correct about that one. I hope to paint another couple of John Jenkins resin masters as Brit Infantry from that battle.... but which regt???

John

 

[theBaron]

Thanks for the followup, guys! Yes, and I checked my Osprey, "Frederick the Great's Allies", too. The North British Dragoons were in the first deployment of British troops, but it didn't indicate that they were there at Minden, though. Not sure what made me think of it. The 15th Light Dragoons went over in the later deployment; I use Imrie-Risley's 17th LD for those, since the uniforms were so similar. I'm so glad to be able to add more British cavalry now.

Prost!
Brad

 

[theBaron]

These look nice. I've been looking for some castings to start painting again, so why not start with these. Hope to see them followed up w/ some French mtd. troops.

The only French 7YW cavalry I know if is from Gammage's old Rose line, and individual foot figures in the old Stadden custom figure catalog. I don't know if John Eden has the molds for the Rose figures, but if he did, it would be great if he brought them out. I have some old castings of them, maybe 10 or 12, but no horses. And the pose is relatively sedate; it's a dragoon trooper, seated upright in the saddle. Good enough for a rider on a horse at the walk or standing. The rolled-up mantle is cast is cast with his coat-tails, too, so some modification is necessary to change the pose. But with Rose's system of separate arms and heads, it's still possible to get some variety.

Prost!
Brad

 

[theBaron]

Another question occurs to me--is it an anachronism to refer to them as the Scots Greys, at the time of the Seven Years War? I thought the nickname came into use a generation later.

Prost!
Brad

 

[thebritfarmer]

Another question occurs to me--is it an anachronism to refer to them as the Scots Greys, at the time of the Seven Years War? I thought the nickname came into use a generation later.

Prost!
Brad

Perhaps named because people are familiar with that name. If they had put (whatever they were called, I do not know) I wouldn't have known what regiment they were.

 

[Obee]

I don't know if John Eden has the molds for the Rose figures, but if he did, it would be great if he brought them out. I have some old castings of them, maybe 10 or 12, but no horses. And the pose is relatively sedate; it's a dragoon trooper, seated upright in the saddle. Good enough for a rider on a horse at the walk or standing. The rolled-up mantle is cast is cast with his coat-tails, too, so some modification is necessary to change the pose. But with Rose's system of separate arms and heads, it's still possible to get some variety. Prost! Brad

Brad, John Eden has some Cavalry show, but as painted figures, be he also says they are available as casting.

He has both Horse Grenadiers and Dragoons, and here are some images.

John

 

[johnnybach]

Hi Brad

The Royal Regiment of Scots Dragoons was raised in Scotland from two independant companies of dragoons in May 1678. In 1681 they increased to six companies and were formed into a regiment. It was not until 1685 that they crossed the border into England, which eventually gave them their precedence after the Royal Dragoons - despite their motto "second to none". With the union of Scotland with England in 1707, their title changed to the Royal Regiment of North British Dragoons, and when precedence became part of the title, they were known as the 2nd or Royal North British Dragoons - the rank of 2nd being approved by Queen Anne c.1713. In 1866 acknowledgement was first made to their nickname, and they were called the 2nd Royal North British Dragoons (Scots Greys). In 1877 this was abbreviated to 2nd Dragoons (Royal Scots Greys) - and in 1921 the emphasis was reversed to The Royal Scots Greys (2nd Dragoons). Finally in 1971, the Regiment was amalgamated with the 3rd Caribiniers (Prince of Wales' Dragoon Guards) as The Royal Scots Dragoon Guards (Caribiniers and Greys).

Source: Bill Carman 1982. johnnybach

 

[theBaron]

Hi, John, thanks, but I must clarify, I meant whether he has the molds for the French cavalry--or the "Germanic" cavalry, too, those castings could be painted as Prussians, Hessian, Hannoverian or Brunswick dragoons, possibly as Austrian, too. I've got the British cavalry on my wish list, though, too

Prost!
Brad

 

[theBaron]

Hi, johnnybach, thanks, that confirms what I thought, it's really a bit of an anachronism to call them "Scots Greys", for the Seven Years' War. I concede Scott's point, that that is the more popular handle for them, for advertising purposes. And it's certainly nowhere near as controversial as the disputes about accuracy that obtain in the K&C threads. I just wanted to be accurate.

I'm reminded that I have a kit figure in my stash someplace, of a trooper of the RNB, circa 1756. I'll have to dig it out and compare it to the new Tradition figures.

Really, all around, this is a great release from Tradition! I can't wait to pick them up.

Prost!
Brad

 

[thebritfarmer]

Hi, johnnybach, thanks, that confirms what I thought, it's really a bit of an anachronism to call them "Scots Greys", for the Seven Years' War. I concede Scott's point, that that is the more popular handle for them, for advertising purposes. And it's certainly nowhere near as controversial as the disputes about accuracy that obtain in the K&C threads. I just wanted to be accurate.

I'm reminded that I have a kit figure in my stash someplace, of a trooper of the RNB, circa 1756. I'll have to dig it out and compare it to the new Tradition figures.

Really, all around, this is a great release from Tradition! I can't wait to pick them up.

Prost!
Brad

I just wanted to add that while the Scot Greys are popular, it wouldn't make me buy them as I don't collect the 7YW. If I did then I would know what they were by their proper period name therefore making the name choice kind of odd.

 

[johnnybach]

Hi both. As regards when the nickname "Scots Greys" first came into being or used, well - that's probably been lost somewhere in the sands of time. It certainly came into "official" use first in 1866. As to was it in use between 1754 - 1763 - the period we are talking about - well - who knows? Were they known by this nickname then - maybe/maybe not.

Wouldn't it be nice though, if some amateur historian out there could turn up a dated document with the name in writing? As these are some of my favourite troops - I'd love to know - hence my interest. Thanks also for the tips about where to find more Greys folks. There I go again with my nickname for them! johnnybach

 

[trooper]

Hi both. As regards when the nickname "Scots Greys" first came into being or used, well - that's probably been lost somewhere in the sands of time. It certainly came into "official" use first in 1866. As to was it in use between 1754 - 1763 - the period we are talking about - well - who knows? Were they known by this nickname then - maybe/maybe not.

Wouldn't it be nice though, if some amateur historian out there could turn up a dated document with the name in writing? As these are some of my favourite troops - I'd love to know - hence my interest. Thanks also for the tips about where to find more Greys folks. There I go again with my nickname for them! johnnybach

According to Blacklock, the author of "The Royal Scots Greys" the regiment was known by the army and recorded in journals as The Scots Greys as early as 1701. Almack's history of the regiment qoutes a document preserved by the regiment dated 1747 which lists the Scots Greys among other regiments. The original name of the Gray Dragoons had nothing to do with the colour of the horses but to the colour of the first uniform which, obviously, was grey rather than red. Trooper

 

[theBaron]

According to Blacklock, the author of "The Royal Scots Greys" the regiment was known by the army and recorded in journals as The Scots Greys as early as 1701. Almack's history of the regiment qoutes a document preserved by the regiment dated 1747 which lists the Scots Greys among other regiments. The original name of the Gray Dragoons had nothing to do with the colour of the horses but to the colour of the first uniform which, obviously, was grey rather than red. Trooper

Thanks, Trooper! That was going to be the next research project, to track down documents and references to the regiment.

Prost!
Brad

 

[Gebhard]

Hi guys ,
I hope you all don't consider this to be a hijack but I can't find anyone on the forum who enjoys the 7 years war like I do but you . Anyway I thought you may enjoy some photo's that I took on a recent trip to a Museum that highlighted the glory of Frederick . Hope you enjoy them as much as I have . Best regards and happy collecting Gebhard

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[Dragoon]

Gebhard, Great pics. - Thanks for posting. What museum are they from?

 

[Gebhard]

Gebhard, Great pics. - Thanks for posting. What museum are they from?

Hello Dragoon ,
Sorry for the delay in answering , It's called the "Frederick the Great" Army Museum (Windsheimer Collection) The museum is in the most important Hohenzollern fortress in Bavaria called Plassenburg located in Kulmbach Germany (which also is home to the worlds largest Museum of Tin figures with well over 300,000 figures and 150 Dioramas) it has the largest existing collection of old Prussian military items dating from 1700 to 1806, which are on display in 32 glass cases.
The infantry and cavalry are described in detail, as well as the social structure of the troops. The main exhibits are firearms, swords, flags and paintings. The museum was established jointly with the collector and historian Bernd Windsheimer. I would highly recommend a long visit , its was one of the best places I have ever seen . If anyone has an interest pm me, I can recommend a great place to stay that is a 15 minute walk or they will provide a free ride to the Castle . Regards Gebhard

 

[Obee]

Looks like more troopers on the way next month..

6th Inniskillings Dragoons set 657

John