A Matter of Taste… A Question of Opinion (1 Viewer)

[King & Country]

Hi Guys,

Our old chum Keith opines that another company makes better dioramas… he maybe right… he maybe wrong… that’s his view and he’s entitled to it.

He is also of the opinion that Gordon’s work is “not worth the big bucks they go for”… Again, his view is… his view. But it’s interesting that he’s never actually been to the Chicago Show or even seen them “in person”. It’s also a fact that one collector’s “big bucks” maybe another’s “loose change”. Different collectors have different pockets and different likes ‘n’ dislikes.

Finally, Keith states that K&C does not “debut” much in Chicago except what’s already announced.

Well, Keith our purpose in going to Chicago is as follows…

1. Promote K&C in general
2. Support K&C dealers who are at the show by mounting displays of recent product that they are selling but do not have the space to properly utilize dioramas.
3. Preview new and upcoming items in dramatic displays that hopefully excite and enthuse those K&C collectors in the coming months.
4. Meet and talk with K&C dealers and collectors from all over the U.S. as well as the rest of the world.
5. See what the opposition are up to…and…
6. Have lots and lots of fun!

Best wishes and happy collecting,

Andy C.​

P.S. Keith, can we hope to see you in Chicago?

 

[Simpson & his donkey.]

I really don't no why this thread has been started but I think Gordon's diorama's are first class. I won one three years ago and I am still striving to get half as good as it is. Just my two cents worth. There great and I think a lot of people on here will back that statement. Simmo.

 

[Rob]

I really don't no why this thread has been started but I think Gordon's diorama's are first class. I won one three years ago and I am still striving to get half as good as it is. Just my two cents worth. There great and I think a lot of people on here will back that statement. Simmo.

Absolutely agree. I know for a lot of people, both visitors and people who cannot be there, Gordon's dio's are an absolute highlight of the show. His work (and the work of my mate Bob) are one of the reasons I started making dioramas. No offence to Battle scene, they do make some very good work, but Gordon's scenes just bring the excellent product K&C produce to life. Just my view:smile2:

Rob

 

[Fat Boy]

This time we get no sneak peak of Gordon diorama? {sm5}

 

[Guy]

I have been building dios now for the last 50 years (never as big as Gordon's), so I think I know what I am talking about , and I must say Gordon's dios are unique, well executed and always a delight to see. But that is my opinion.Bravo Gordon , carry on building
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[Mitch]

Have to say from building dio's painting etc all my life the work that goes into them and, the time and, frustration when things go wrong then, for me, they are worth the money. I have seen two of K&C's dio's from friends on the continent and they are first class. Don't know what company is being stated as best but, BSP, TMterrain and K&C are the three I would say equally do superb work.

Not wanting to rag on anyone but, if you don't build dio's or don't paint etc then really its just an opinion based on ones personal taste and not on anything factual on what is required to produce these items or, what they are worth to either maker or, eventual owner.

In the years I have been on here we have had the skorzeny SL, winter Tiger a repainted police AFV and new troops and a flak gun from the top of my head I am sure there are more so, that seems from my early morning slumber some showcased sets.

Times must be hard if this is what we have to talk about Roll on the show
Mitch

 

[Poppo]

Yes, it is his opinion, his view.....A forum is just made of personal opinions and personal points of view..... Only a wrong statement about an historic event needs to be correct eventually.

 

[Mitch]

Of course it is and, I have no problem with people saying things about manufacturers products etc if thats how they feel. some will like some will not and, we are grown up enough to realise that what some like others won't without getting our underwear in a twist.

Sadly, comments like this are seen as provocative to some and, it may be his opinion but, it could have been added to with because of this or that to back up the reasoning why. The two makers dio's are different in many ways in format, design and, in presentation and, it would have led to a far more interesting discussion had these differences been expalined as a reasoning why he prefered one makers over another. To leave it like it was just looked like a negative comment made just for the sake.

I also opined that a lot of people who don't or can't build dio's don't either understand or appreciate the work that goes into them. some do but, a few don't.
Mitch

Yes, it is his opinion, his view.....A forum is just made of personal opinions and personal points of view..... Only a wrong statement about an historic event needs to be correct eventually.

 

[Cyber Field Marshall]

On an open forum I can agree with people stating their likes and dislikes but I agree with Mitch that backing it up with some specifics would be more constructive. What I can't agree on is whenever anybody says something "isn't worth that price". Things are worth what someone is able and more importantly willing to pay whether we like it or not. To me the argument about value is irrelevant. We can certainly complain and don't have to like it but that's where it ends. Adding a value statement just isn't correct when discussing the price of anything. I like Andy's statement about "one collectors big bucks is another's loose change". So true........I just wish I was the latter! :redface2:

 

[Mitch]

I don't necessarily agree about the lack of need to discuss price. Its part of the narrative to discuss the quality and what have you of sets and price for an item is a big part. Again, its how its said that can cause problems but, for me, its perfectly reasonable for someone to say I don't like that model over X because to me it does not have enough detail to justify the price or, another set has more detail for less cost. Thats part of what we discuss quality and cost are interlinked. I know they are not objective comments more subjective but, are valid critiques when used in either a positive ornegative manner.

Its different and what you may have meant when someone just says thats junk its not worth that much and leaves it at that. Its how one qualifies the remark.
Mitch

On an open forum I can agree with people stating their likes and dislikes but I agree with Mitch that backing it up with some specifics would be more constructive. What I can't agree on is whenever anybody says something "isn't worth that price". Things are worth what someone is able and more importantly willing to pay whether we like it or not. To me the argument about value is irrelevant. We can certainly complain and don't have to like it but that's where it ends. Adding a value statement just isn't correct when discussing the price of anything. I like Andy's statement about "one collectors big bucks is another's loose change". So true........I just wish I was the latter! :redface2:

 

[whdamon]

Gordon doesnt set the price. The market does!!!! What he does is art, beautiful ceative art in my mind. And like all quality art it is worth what ever competing collectors are willing to pay. More power to you Gordon, and dont ever feel uncomfortable getting well paid for the quality, excitement and adventure you supply us

Walt Damon

 

[Rob]

On an open forum I can agree with people stating their likes and dislikes but I agree with Mitch that backing it up with some specifics would be more constructive. What I can't agree on is whenever anybody says something "isn't worth that price". Things are worth what someone is able and more importantly willing to pay whether we like it or not. To me the argument about value is irrelevant. We can certainly complain and don't have to like it but that's where it ends. Adding a value statement just isn't correct when discussing the price of anything. I like Andy's statement about "one collectors big bucks is another's loose change". So true........I just wish I was the latter! :redface2:

Well said indeed, its worth whatever the collector wants to pay for it^&cool

Rob

 

[vividgraphx]

Andy, I only gave my opinion of whom i thought makes better dioramas. Gordon makes great dioramas and seems to put a lot of work into them. I based that opinion on my preference for the materials that are used that end up giving it its overall look. But you are correct, I may be right or I may be wrong. My opinion also that they are not worth the big bucks they sell for is based on me seeing dioramas that look equally great with as much time put into them selling for much less. My opinion also is that Gordon's dioramas sell for such high prices because a collector is buying for the K&C brand name that goes with it. Much like the concept behind designer clothing. But like I said Gordon does make great dioramas. And it is correct I have not seen one of Gordon's in person just on the computer and in your collectors magazines. I attend all of the shows in New Jersey and Pennsylvania area but never saw one at any of the shows out here. I purchase so many of your products every month as well as other manufacturers that I have a collection built up over years and years that I could open up my own store or museum. In fact I am going to my local dealer today on my lunch break to purchase another round of your Russian troops he still has in stock. I dont appreciate the sarcastic "old chum" remark you use. Loyal outspoken collector is what I am. And I am unable to make it out to Chicago again this year because the money it costs for airfare,hotels ect. I will use towards more soldiers. Keith

 

[jazzeum]

Keith,

I'm in Jersey also (up near Morristown). Is Dutkins your local dealer because that's the only one I know in NJ.

Brad

 

[vividgraphx]

Keith,

I'm in Jersey also (up near Morristown). Is Dutkins your local dealer because that's the only one I know in NJ.

Brad

Yes. Just got back from his shop. Good guy

 

[Currahee Chris]

.........I dont appreciate the sarcastic "old chum" remark you use.

Seems to be the modus operandy anymore unfortunately. The quality of his factory's workmanship attracted me to the product, the constant putdowns drove me away. It may do the same for you unforunately. Sorry you've been the latest collector caught in the crosshairs.

 

[The Military Workshop]

Seems to be the modus operandy anymore unfortunately. The quality of his factory's workmanship attracted me to the product, the constant putdowns drove me away. It may do the same for you unforunately. Sorry you've been the latest collector caught in the crosshairs.

Chris,
In my totally biased opinion as a dealer and friend of Andy if there have been occasions where he has appeared
to "putdown" somebody then it usually has had some justification and quite often had majority support on this
forum.

To be quite frank there is an underlying sense of "niggle" in some of Keiths comments about K&C. I know as I have a
recollection of ones where I have seen them deleted. An example would be the time Keith suggested K&C was
dishonouring Medal of Honour winners by not making figures of them (of course no such comment was directed
at the other brands that had no such figures). That involved an exchange with me that was deleted.

In your own case I recall you making one of the most exaggerated and negative comments about Andy
personally that I have ever seen on this forum. What was strange was that it was within 24 hours of you praising K&C
Despatches and it was made in another manufacturers thread.

Regards
Brett

 

[vividgraphx]

Brett,
You are right. Your opinion is completely biased.
Keith

 

[The Military Workshop]

Brett,
You are right. Your opinion is completely biased.
Keith

and yet you do not even attempt to say I am wrong in my opinion. Being biased does not mean I am wrong.

 

[vividgraphx]

I am an outspoken collector. At soon to be $50 for a single figure we collectors deserve high quality in return. When there is a release that does not meet that standard I as well as a few others on this forum post about it and then members whom do not agree post their opinions. To members such as yourself whom are admitted bias in favor of K&C this seems to them as being anti-K&C, "Debbie Downers" or just negative with K&C all together. What feeds this fire is when Andy responds to this criticism with the tone I describe as "they are picking on poor me again" which is not the case. In fact it is him whom initiates some of these debates on posts he starts like this one referring to me as our old chum which in my opinion is a red flag for bias members to stand by his side. I dont hate Andy or his products,just the ones that look bad and or overpriced.

Keith