The Battle of Saratoga, 1777 Previewed at MFCA, May 2018 (1 Viewer)

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THE BATTLE OF SARATOGA 1777.
ATTACK ON BREYMANN’s REDOUBT, OCTOBER 7th, 1777.
“The surrender that changed the world”.
In October 1777, a 6,000 strong British army surrendered in defeat after the American victory at the Battles of Saratoga.
For the first time in history a British General surrendered his sword.

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DIORAMA DISPLAY PREVIEWED AT THE MFCA SHOW.

The Diorama display at the MFCA show previewed almost 60 new figures especially designed to represent the units which took part in the attack on Breymann’s Redoubt.
The Redoubt defenses will also be produced as well as the split rail fences.
Personality figures will also be available.

The German mercenaries were firing steadily from their redoubt.
From the rear came the crack of rifles. A general mounted and, his sword flashing, led the riflemen into the redoubt. German resistance collapsed. The Battle of Saratoga was over.
The day was Oct. 7th, 1777. Twelve days later, “Gentleman Johnny” Burgoyne, the gifted, courageous British commander, surrendered to the American general, Horatio Gates. Thus ended the most
ambitious and dangerous offensive launched by Britain in the Revolution. The attack on the redoubt was the last of a series of actions that constituted the Battle of Saratoga, considered the turning point of the Revolution.

The rifle fire that decimated the Germans awoke echoes around the World. The French court, friendly to any who fought their ancient British enemy, finally was convinced that France’s interest lay in entering the war on the side of the Americans.

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REDOUT DEFENCES

Following intense fighting with the Continental Army in September, the British Army fortified themselves behind two defensive redoubts- the larger, better defended Balcarres Redoubt, and the weaker
Breymann Redoubt.
American forces, led by General Benedict Arnold, managed to take the Breymann Redoubt, which gave them a strong position behind the British lines. The loss of the Redoubt rendered the British position untenable. The British Army was forced to pull back to the river, from which position they would attempt to retreat north the next morning.

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MORGAN’S RIFLEMEN

Morgan’s Riflemen or Morgan’s Rifles, were an elite light infantry unit Commanded by General Daniel morgan in the American Revolutionary War. It served a vital role, because it was equipped with what was then the cutting-edge rifle instead of muskets, allowing superior accuracy at up to ten times the distance of the typical muskets of the troops of the day.

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MORGAN’S RIFLES

The Riflemen proved pivotal in several engagements, and helped turn the main battle by attacking from the right flank, which was instrumental in taking the Breymann Redoubt.

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HESSIAN JAEGERS

The Hessian Jaeger Corps was an elite unit. Recruited from foresters and huntsmen and better paid than the line regiments.
 
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CONTINENTAL ARMY

Three of the Continental Army units which took part in the assault on the Breymann Redoubt, were the 2nd Massachussetts, The 2nd New York, and The 1st Canadian Regiment.

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2nd MASSACHUSETTS

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2nd NEW YORK

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1st CANADIAN REGIMENT
 
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HESSIAN GRENADIERS

The Breymann Redoubt was defended by a small force of Hessian Grenadiers, from the Regiments Von Specht, and the Regiment Von Rhetz.

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VON RHETZ GRENADIERS

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VON SPECHT GRENADIERS

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GENERAL BENEDICT ARNOLD

Major General Horatio Gates received Burgoyne’s sword in surrender on October 17th 1777.
The opinion of many American and British historians, was that it was Benedict Arnold who won the battle.
Arnold was the mounted officer who led the mad charge into the rear of the German redoubt.


The first sets for this series will be available with the June releases.

A special thank you to Richard Schuster and The New York Historical Society, and the Philadelphia Museum of The American Revolution, for all their help.
A special thanks to all at the MFCA Show, and to everyone I met over the weekend.
Thanks to Richard Schuster for all his help with research on the Saratoga project, and for his support at the show.
Finally many thanks to George and Larry.


All information sent from John to all his Dealers!

If you are wanting a flyer on this series, just drop us a line with your next order and we will be happy to include one! John sent me home with a few bundles to distribute.

Julie
 
My feelings exactly. I can't afford ANOTHER excellent JJD series, yet here it is. I love those Hessians. ^&cool -- Al

Many THANKS, Julie for these excellent shots.

Al, although the pictures are really clear and sharp .... wait until you see them in hand .... just INCREDIBLE!

--- LaRRy
 
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HESSIAN GRENADIERS

The Breymann Redoubt was defended by a small force of Hessian Grenadiers, from the Regiments Von Specht, and the Regiment Von Rhetz.

hello Larry, as you own a big collection of K&C's AWI, and have seen in person the John's figures, what you think about their compatibility in scale please (and in uniforms)? Would be possible to mix them?
Thanks, Carlo
 
hello Larry, as you own a big collection of K&C's AWI, and have seen in person the John's figures, what you think about their compatibility in scale please (and in uniforms)? Would be possible to mix them?
Thanks, Carlo

I have some of the resin prototypes, and a couple of K&C's Hessians. The K&C figures look stockier, to my eye, while John's are in better proportion.

Also, John didn't put mustaches on the officers or boots on figures serving on foot ;)

Prost!
Brad
 
hello Larry, as you own a big collection of K&C's AWI, and have seen in person the John's figures, what you think about their compatibility in scale please (and in uniforms)? Would be possible to mix them?
Thanks, Carlo

Good Morning Carlo,
First off, I DO INTEND on mixing them, regardless of the differences I may find (within limits of course). They're Toy Soldiers and meant for fun. I seldom get concerned about "compatibility" between different manufactures unless there is a VERY noticeable difference.

Also, remember that the sculpturing styles are different styles between (anything) made by K&C or (anything) made by JJD.
BOTH are excellent and show high degree of craftsmanship.

With the K&C, the Hessian were in the older sculpting and not of the same detail as Andy and company are doing today. As mentioned by Brad, the JJD figures seems to have "slimmed" down over the last year or so, not just these new Saratoga figures but most of the newer JJD that I have seen.

(i.e. when compared to my JJD War of 1812 figures these seem less bulky or slimmer. Please note that I am NOT saying that is a good thing or a bad thing ... just different and will appeal to some or not to others.)

The K&C painting is different (as normal) from the JJD, with the JJD being a bit more muted and earth tones while the K&C seems a brighter
shade. (As before I am NOT saying this is better or worse ...just different.)

The new JJD sets have a greater degree of uniform details and added accouterments, which are very nicely done and positioned.

As soon as the new JJD Hessian sets are released I will do a side-by-side comparison for all to see. {sm3}

But as I have mentioned, I do intend to use both K&C and JJD in some AWI scenes. Out of every 100 people who come to view my dioramas I would bet there are only 1 or 2 who would know that K&C's figures were Regiment von Rall of Principality Hesse-Cassel while John's from the Brunswick Principality; the von Specht Regiment and the the von Rhetz Regiment.

For your viewing fun see the books: ^&grin

* An Illustrated Encyclopedia of the Uniforms from 1775-1783 - The American Revolutionary War [ Digby Smith / Kevin Kiley]
** Don Troiani's Soldiers in American - 1754 - 1865 [Art by Don Troiani / Text by Coats and Kochan]
** Don Troiani's Soldiers of the American REvolution [Art by Don Troiani / Text by Kochan]

There are also 4-5 books by Osprey the "Men-At-Arms" Series.

Good Hunting / Good Collecting ....

--- LaRRy
 
Looks like a fantastic series. If I had one criticism though it would be that the poses on the Mass, Ny and Canadians are all identical. Even the Hessian Jaegers and Morgan's Rifles appear similar (i.e. one standing firing, one kneeling, one reaching behind). The assumption may be that most won't collect all? I would prefer a bit of variation. Maybe John can throw in a "Headless Horseman" come Halloween time.
 
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If I had one criticism though it would be that the poses on the Mass, Ny and Canadians are all identical. Even the Hessian Jaegers and Morgan's Rifles appear similar (i.e. one standing firing, one kneeling, one reaching behind). The assumption may be that most won't collect all?

Maybe .. :rolleyes2: .. one can assume the reason is that the process of marching into battle ... loading ... standing / kneeling ready ... firing .. and then repeating is all very ordered and choreographed . There was a (very knowledgeable) reactor (or educator) all dressed up in a 1777 British uniform with all the bells and whistles included. He gave John a detailed step-by-step demonstration of the above process. [AND a lot more]

I think he spoke for over two hours. {sm2} {George had to go to the other end of out booth to escape his diatribe {sm4}}

So given that everyone is always doing the exact same thing it (sorta') make sense. Sorta'!!!!

--- LaRRy
 
Maybe .. :rolleyes2: .. one can assume the reason is that the process of marching into battle ... loading ... standing / kneeling ready ... firing .. and then repeating is all very ordered and choreographed . There was a (very knowledgeable) reactor (or educator) all dressed up in a 1777 British uniform with all the bells and whistles included. He gave John a detailed step-by-step demonstration of the above process. [AND a lot more]

I think he spoke for over two hours. {sm2} {George had to go to the other end of out booth to escape his diatribe {sm4}}

So given that everyone is always doing the exact same thing it (sorta') make sense. Sorta'!!!!

--- LaRRy

Yes, I don't doubt that there are some standard positions. And those are somewhat limited but it would very odd if every regiment on the field is depicted with one member in the exact same pose at the exact same moment. I didn't notice it at first but when they are shown standing alone from the dio it is much more apparent.
 
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MORGAN’S RIFLEMEN

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MORGAN’S RIFLES

I'm not a John Jenkins collector, but this is one of my favorite sections of the forum to follow. This Saratoga line looks great, and the Morgan's Riflemen are some of the best of their kind that I've seen. I'm always in the market for American riflemen, and these could be the first John Jenkins figures I add to my collection.

My only reservation is how the rifles have been sculpted. On most American longrifles, the stock and nose cap go almost all the way to the muzzle. On the these figures, the muzzles are sculpted just like muskets, which have several inches of bare barrel to accommodate a bayonet. It may seem like a small detail, but I know I'm not the only one here who cares about details like these.

The figures look terrific, but I'll have to see if I commit to buying them.
 
Yes, I don't doubt that there are some standard positions. And those are somewhat limited but it would very odd if every regiment on the field is depicted with one member in the exact same pose at the exact same moment. I didn't notice it at first but when they are shown standing alone from the dio it is much more apparent.

Of course ... I suspect ... :rolleyes2: ... the real reason, as in all Toy Soldier [ design, sculpt, paint and release ] is $$$$$!

If there were 60 different poses then that would be four times the cost for design, sculpting and production. With this method only the painting is different. But just me unknowing guess.

--- LaRRy
 
There was a (very knowledgeable) reactor (or educator) all dressed up in a 1777 British uniform with all the bells and whistles included. He gave John a detailed step-by-step demonstration of the above process. [AND a lot more]

I think he spoke for over two hours. {sm2} {George had to go to the other end of out booth to escape his diatribe {sm4}}
Yeah........knowledgeable.......................two hours sounds about right, it all became a blur in about a minute for me......and he wasn't British, he was a US artilleryist from what I could gather..........and seeing you standing there holding his musket was worth the price of admission, the only thing missing was the musket going off and hitting a customer (or a dealer)..........imagine that conversation in the emergency room "Next!....so what's wrong with you?"............"I've got a musket wound"........."Ok then, sounds wonderful, how would you like to pay for this?".............."With my life if you don't hurry up, the guy sitting next to me in the emergency room broke his leg when he fell off the Trojan Horse"...........I don't do these shows for the money, I do them for the buffoonery that ensues at each and every one of them...................shadow puppets, old timers sponging free breakfasts off of you, the Haberdasher dividing up the space between our booths 50/50, he gets 8 of the 10 feet, we get 2, the lights going off in the dealer hall after an hour and a half of selling, gas leaks in Taunton, you name it, we've seen it. We're like Hope and Crosby in one of those cheeseball roadshow movies..................
 
Some very good figures on display here.Thanks,Julie for posting and thanks Larry Allen for your comments on mixing with K&C Hessians.
 
I got the Osprey book on Saratoga and it is not one of their better efforts. Most photos and illustrations are in black and white rendering them mostly useless. And even though it is a somewhat abbreviated account of the battle, I found it hard to follow. Can't recommend that one.
 

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