114th Pennsylvana Zouaves Head Gear (1 Viewer)
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Fat Boy
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Fez of the 114th Penn. Regt. at Gettysburg Museum
if you search with google............you find both head gears.
Roechling was born in 1855...... (if we talk about the same.....). So he was to young to see them live.....and he don´t life in the US.
if you search with google............you find both head gears.
Roechling was born in 1855...... (if we talk about the same.....). So he was to young to see them live.....and he don´t life in the US.
Scott
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It would be nice if a series had all turbans or no turbans so that all the kneeling men don't look different from all the standing men look like different units within one unit. Maybe some head swaps with a jeweler's saw and some Zap-A-Gap would do the trick.
Units could also have a different "uniform" look as various times in the unit history. This is a particularly good painting showing the 114th coming on line by companies.
Units could also have a different "uniform" look as various times in the unit history. This is a particularly good painting showing the 114th coming on line by companies.
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Warrior
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The 114th PA wore both the fez and the turban into combat, either is correct.
Troiani's painting "Barksdale's Charge" depects the 114th wearing both as Barkdale's men slammed into them on July 2nd.
Troiani is too young to have seen the unit live as well, but I'll trust his research on the subject any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
The Roechling painting is among my favorite ACW subjects, the original hangs in the visitors center at Fredericksburg, it's stunning to see it in person...................
Troiani's painting "Barksdale's Charge" depects the 114th wearing both as Barkdale's men slammed into them on July 2nd.
Troiani is too young to have seen the unit live as well, but I'll trust his research on the subject any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
The Roechling painting is among my favorite ACW subjects, the original hangs in the visitors center at Fredericksburg, it's stunning to see it in person...................
theBaron
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Röchling is very good. He's one of the two major illustrators of Frederick the Great's army, too (the other being Adolf Menzel). I suspect that his paintings of the Battle of Leuthen provide the model for John Jenkin's new Seven Years War Prussians.
As with any research into the past, you have to consider the source, consult as many as possible, and then decide. For example, all of the sources I can find agree that officers didn't wear moustaches in the 18th century (except hussar officers)
(forum veterans know what I'm talking about ) But seriously...you can even find some mistakes in Knötel's "Handbook of Uniformology".
Prost!
Brad
As with any research into the past, you have to consider the source, consult as many as possible, and then decide. For example, all of the sources I can find agree that officers didn't wear moustaches in the 18th century (except hussar officers)
(forum veterans know what I'm talking about ) But seriously...you can even find some mistakes in Knötel's "Handbook of Uniformology".Prost!
Brad
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Wearing the fez with, or without the turban would probably be correct for July in Gettysburg. It certainly would be hotter to wear this style headgear with the addition of the turban in that heat, and for uniformity in the small range and a logical conclusion for the weather conditions I elected to sculpt these all without the turban.
It would be wonderful to be able to offer all of these figures both ways, but the demand for unusual uniforms does not support a development in depth beyond what was offered.
This unit is well documented in period images serving as the headquarters guard for the Army of the Potomac and wearing the fez with turban, but that situation is a bit different than a combat environment and I believe allows for latitude in reconstruction.
My good friend Don Troiani's painting of Barksdale's charge shows this unit wearing the headgear both ways and that is very likely too.
If I were to revisit the subject with figures at Parade Rest or marching I would like to sculpt them with the turbans added to the fez as I always liked this look.
I thought some of you might enjoy seeing the sculpts right after I finished them. The light gray areas are the epoxy putty I use and the light tan areas are resin copies of parts from earlier figures I made to save time.
And of course Mary...
I hope this helps a bit!
Ken
It would be wonderful to be able to offer all of these figures both ways, but the demand for unusual uniforms does not support a development in depth beyond what was offered.
This unit is well documented in period images serving as the headquarters guard for the Army of the Potomac and wearing the fez with turban, but that situation is a bit different than a combat environment and I believe allows for latitude in reconstruction.
My good friend Don Troiani's painting of Barksdale's charge shows this unit wearing the headgear both ways and that is very likely too.
If I were to revisit the subject with figures at Parade Rest or marching I would like to sculpt them with the turbans added to the fez as I always liked this look.
I thought some of you might enjoy seeing the sculpts right after I finished them. The light gray areas are the epoxy putty I use and the light tan areas are resin copies of parts from earlier figures I made to save time.
And of course Mary...
I hope this helps a bit!
Ken
Thank you gentlemen for your answers to my question.
I meant no indictment of the figures that were produced. They are without reproach as all of Mr. Osen’s figures are.
My question was more geared to the brilliance of the uniforms and how the white of the turban on their heads and white leggings around their legs accentuate the blues and reds of the uniform.
As I looked at the figures and then the painting I did not know which was correct. I admit, I am not a student of Civil War uniforms, so the question was formed.
So, thank you Mr. Osen for answering my question as to which is correct – they both are. I did not know the figures were based on the July battle, and the painting depicted a December action. Not wearing the turbans in the heat makes sense.
I meant no indictment of the figures that were produced. They are without reproach as all of Mr. Osen’s figures are.
My question was more geared to the brilliance of the uniforms and how the white of the turban on their heads and white leggings around their legs accentuate the blues and reds of the uniform.
As I looked at the figures and then the painting I did not know which was correct. I admit, I am not a student of Civil War uniforms, so the question was formed.
So, thank you Mr. Osen for answering my question as to which is correct – they both are. I did not know the figures were based on the July battle, and the painting depicted a December action. Not wearing the turbans in the heat makes sense.