70th Anniversary of EL Alamein (2 Viewers)

Saw on the news last night a moving ceremony at the Australian memorial at El Alamein where some of the surviving Diggers had traveled from Australia to remember their fallen mates, I was touched by the emotion of these now elderly vets who wanted only to recall their comrades after seventy years and it made me think how irelevent we armchair historians are when we debate the pros and cons of past battles, what really matters is for us to hold these vets in high esteem for what they and their fallen mates did all those years ago...LEST WE FORGET.
 
waynepoo said:
Saw on the news last night a moving ceremony at the Australian memorial at El Alamein where some of the surviving Diggers had traveled from Australia to remember their fallen mates, I was touched by the emotion of these now elderly vets who wanted only to recall their comrades after seventy years and it made me think how irelevent we armchair historians are when we debate the pros and cons of past battles, what really matters is for us to hold these vets in high esteem for what they and their fallen mates did all those years ago...LEST WE FORGET.
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Very true Wayne, this thread was really just to pay tribute to those who gave their lives at Alamein, our thoughts on why this and that happened really are of no importance, it's the veterans who are foremost in important here.

Rob
 
waynepoo said:
Saw on the news last night a moving ceremony at the Australian memorial at El Alamein where some of the surviving Diggers had traveled from Australia to remember their fallen mates, I was touched by the emotion of these now elderly vets who wanted only to recall their comrades after seventy years and it made me think how irelevent we armchair historians are when we debate the pros and cons of past battles, what really matters is for us to hold these vets in high esteem for what they and their fallen mates did all those years ago...LEST WE FORGET.
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Wayne

Been there too!

Jack
 
Jack said:
Just reading a really interesting book called 'The Battle for History: Re-Fighting World War Two' by John Keegan and found something that was completely unexpected . In 1944 Poland had the fourth largest number of men fighting Nazi Germany behing the Soviet Union, the US and the UK. No place on the Security Council for them though!
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Interesting...Yes, Poland only in nazi death camps lost 6 millions people ( 3 millions polish not jewish and 3 millions jewish-polish), plus many others civilians and military casualties ( many of them killed by the communists NKVD). So Poland created a free liberal government in London and many polish fought with the allied in every european front. But inspite of their brave fightings, after WW2 occupied Poland became a soviet' s colony. Intellectuals, middle class, priests and other categories of people were sent to Siberia camps for long years and only few returned .Polish wanted to be a liberal country ,but stayed under the "red terror" till the 80ies,so I am not amazed they were no part of any international institution.
 
Jack said:
Wayne

Been there too!

Jack
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Jack, did you get hassled to ride a camel? I did when i visited Cairo and was trying to have a look at the pyramids!

Sorry for going off thread a little Rob...

Tom
 
TomNT said:
Jack, did you get hassled to ride a camel? I did when i visited Cairo and was trying to have a look at the pyramids!

Sorry for going off thread a little Rob...

Tom
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Every waking minute!
 
TomNT said:
Jack, did you get hassled to ride a camel? I did when i visited Cairo and was trying to have a look at the pyramids!

Sorry for going off thread a little Rob...

Tom
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Tom, no apologies needed mate, one of the things I enjoy most is when a group of friends are just chatting and enjoying the forum, I know some moan like a goat stuck in a bush if it goes off subject, but I enjoy the way a thread can wander a bit as we all talk and then it usually comes back on subject anyway.

I know just what you mean about the Camels in Egypt. Twenty years ago myself and my wife had our honeymoon cruising down the Nile and taking in the sights. At that time (not sure if its as bad now) we were warned not to take the camel rides at the pyramids as there had been a spate of cases of people being taken out into the desert and threatened with being left there if they did not cough up huge amounts of cash, so we gave that a miss and headed straight into the pyramids....which was just superb! I just LOVE Egypt, such a wonderful place to visit^&cool

Cheers

Rob
 
Rob said:
Tom, no apologies needed mate, one of the things I enjoy most is when a group of friends are just chatting and enjoying the forum, I know some moan like a goat stuck in a bush if it goes off subject, but I enjoy the way a thread can wander a bit as we all talk and then it usually comes back on subject anyway.

I know just what you mean about the Camels in Egypt. Twenty years ago myself and my wife had our honeymoon cruising down the Nile and taking in the sights. At that time (not sure if its as bad now) we were warned not to take the camel rides at the pyramids as there had been a spate of cases of people being taken out into the desert and threatened with being left there if they did not cough up huge amounts of cash, so we gave that a miss and headed straight into the pyramids....which was just superb! I just LOVE Egypt, such a wonderful place to visit^&cool

Cheers

Rob
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Rob

Were you there in 1992? My wife and I honeymooned there that year.
 
Jack said:
Rob

Were you there in 1992? My wife and I honeymooned there that year.
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Yes we were Jack! When in 92 were you there? We were there for two weeks from 16th September. We spent a couple of days at the Mena House hotel (we arrived at night and so next morning when we emerged from the lobby to find the Pyramids looming massive over the hotel it was one of the most awe inspiring surprises and something we'll never forget)we did the Cairo museum etc and then spent the rest of the trip cruising on the Nile visiting the temples, Luxor , Valley of the Kings etc, just wonderful holiday and we really want to go back, but sadly it may have to wait until things have settled down over there.

Rob
 
Rob said:
Yes we were Jack! When in 92 were you there? We were there for two weeks from 16th September. We spent a couple of days at the Mena House hotel (we arrived at night and so next morning when we emerged from the lobby to find the Pyramids looming massive over the hotel it was one of the most awe inspiring surprises and something we'll never forget)we did the Cairo museum etc and then spent the rest of the trip cruising on the Nile visiting the temples, Luxor , Valley of the Kings etc, just wonderful holiday and we really want to go back, but sadly it may have to wait until things have settled down over there.

Rob
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Rob

We were there just after Xmas 1992 - probably about the 28th December. We did a 7 day tour of Israel and then a seven day counterpart in Egypt. We crossed to Cairo from Israel in a tour bus, got to Cairo and did the bus/train thing up the Nile. We did the cheaper "Insight" tour given the Australian dollar was worth half of what it is now. We even managed to make it to Abu Simbel (too tired to google the correct spelling!). Did you see the Sound and Light show?

Jack
 
Jack said:
Rob

We were there just after Xmas 1992 - probably about the 28th December. We did a 7 day tour of Israel and then a seven day counterpart in Egypt. We crossed to Cairo from Israel in a tour bus, got to Cairo and did the bus/train thing up the Nile. We did the cheaper "Insight" tour given the Australian dollar was worth half of what it is now. We even managed to make it to Abu Simbel (too tired to google the correct spelling!). Did you see the Sound and Light show?

Jack
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Sounds great Jack, yes we did see it and very much enjoyed it. Whenever I see that scene in the Spy Who Loved me set during the show it always makes me smile, i remember a stiflingly hot evening and that booming voice over the lights, very happy memories indeed.

Rob
 
Jack said:
Every waking minute!
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Rob said:
Tom, no apologies needed mate, one of the things I enjoy most is when a group of friends are just chatting and enjoying the forum, I know some moan like a goat stuck in a bush if it goes off subject, but I enjoy the way a thread can wander a bit as we all talk and then it usually comes back on subject anyway.

I know just what you mean about the Camels in Egypt. Twenty years ago myself and my wife had our honeymoon cruising down the Nile and taking in the sights. At that time (not sure if its as bad now) we were warned not to take the camel rides at the pyramids as there had been a spate of cases of people being taken out into the desert and threatened with being left there if they did not cough up huge amounts of cash, so we gave that a miss and headed straight into the pyramids....which was just superb! I just LOVE Egypt, such a wonderful place to visit^&cool

Cheers

Rob
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Cheers Rob and i bet they drove you mad Jack! When i got to the pyramids, i barely got out of the vehicle when i was first hassled by kids trying to flog off souvenirs and those things they wear on their heads (the young lass practically put it on me even when i said no thanks half a dozen times!) and then a young boy tried to lead me away to ride a camel. I managed to escape both of these kids (not on a camel either!) but i was constantly hassled for a camel ride while i was walking around the pyramids taking pic's! The pyramids are awesome although i am not sure i would have liked to be there while Egypt was in turmoil recently.

Tom
 
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