A changing hobby (3 Viewers)

sammy719

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Hi all,

Just curious to know if other members here on the forum find themselves changing ones own collecting habits or purchases?? George G. mentioned last week in the Figarti thread about the slower pace that seem to be happening at toy soldier shows, be it we're getting older each year, health issues,or basically price vs. purchase?? I personally have changed my own collecting habits to being more opened to mix and match companies where I can find decent prices for whatever I'm displaying, also big ticket items seem to be less and less for me, picking up one here and there but not like the good ol days, I've also found that other parts of this hobby are enjoyable to collect at a cheaper price, never thought I'd get into 1:72 scale stuff but rather enjoying the product as well as the price!! anyway, just thought I'd see where other members stand on today's toy soldier hobby world...Sammy
 
Personally after trying the mix and match approach which quickly exhausted the potential of getting new figures that no one else has already done (I only collect Napoleonic's) I decided to start painting my own figures from castings which gave me a new way to broaden my collection with items that are more unique (not mass produced) as well as having fun producing something on my own that I can display and enjoy doing. I have close to 600 figures (all Naps) in my collection.
 
Personally after trying the mix and match approach which quickly exhausted the potential of getting new figures that no one else has already done (I only collect Napoleonic's) I decided to start painting my own figures from castings which gave me a new way to broaden my collection with items that are more unique (not mass produced) as well as having fun producing something on my own that I can display and enjoy doing.

I certainly see your point Grognard.
I would LOVE to be able to paint/model work,but as I told another member on a different thread many of us do not have the patience or mainly the skill to do it, I guess if I stuck with it over the long haul I would get a little better, but even then I would notice every flaw, bad paint job and be mad at myself for displaying it ^&grin so I'm happy to be in the pre-assembled, pre-painted hobby, they certainly do a better job then I.
 
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Hi Sammy,

Good topic for a discussion. I have always had a bit of a magpie in me which makes collecting just one type of maker or era totally impossible for me. I have to say that I buy what strikes a cord with me and if I can afford it as well. That's one of the reasons why I loved the flea markets in Germany. I was able to find figures made from the early 1900s to modern DDR types. Of course many of them are played with or may be missing a leg in the case of a few mounted Heyde but they didnt break the bank and are a lot of fun to look at since they all represent different styles and makers. I guess that's why I enjoy this hobby so much. The only area where I am working to complete a line is the Marlborough Durbar but as they have suspended operations for a while I am worried about the cost going up to the point where I can't afford them. Time will tell.

Dave
 
I began collecting 1/30 planes and pilots five years ago. Prior to that I was collecting "better" diecast, wood, resin and plastic model airplanes in various scales. The more that a prebuilt model looked like a nice kit-build, the more likely I was to buy it. BTW, it wasn't the quality of the models from TS-makers that really grabbed me at first. Rather, it was the figure and accessory support for displays that drove me to buy more and more of their products. The great news in that regard is that the quality of the model end of the equation has improved markedly, so much so that the sets are rivaling what's for sale from "pro-built" sellers and at a lower price.:cool: Today, 1/30 is responsible for about half of my spending.

-Moe
 
Scenic's collecting seems to have been taking all my money and space. Every time some new TS's are released I go in search of diorama pieces to compliment them. My collection is starting to tilt towards that way, especially in the last few years. Certainly have always mixed and matched. Interesting thread. Robin.
 
I've kind of went around in a circle to meet where I started from,28mm. That's what I mostly collect now .I do still have kits that I have painted as they are painted as one of kind.Even if somebody has the same kit it's usually painted differently.I do get a few of Britains Clash of Empires series.
Mark
 
I’ve sold off most of my collection a couple of years ago. I needed the space and knew the hobby was contracting for all of the know reasons. I kept some of the rarest pieces like Figarti K5, LCT landing crafts, Huey’s, etc.

Today, I’ve only attended the Texas Show (I live there) and may attend a few in the future. My budget used to be around $1200-1500/ monthly and has shrunk to maybe $1500 annually. I still love the hobby but prices have jumped (quality too) and my space is still limited. The secondary market (eBay) prices have almost collapsed and, therefore I only buy what I love and don’t mind getting stuck with in the future.

Anyone else like me?

Carlos
 
It may by many be deemed heresy, but I will be emphatic. Collecting “toy soldiers” is no longer the collection of toy soldiers! It has become the collection of military miniature figures, armored fighting vehicles/transport, aircraft, other ancillary equipment ((all of varying scale, predominately 1/30 and to a lesser degree 1/32), and the building of dioramas, to incorporate and present all of them for display. Hopefully these diorama groups, within themselves are in reasonably consistent scale. There is nothing wrong with this fact, but within a period of approximately a decade and a half (perhaps longer), that my fellow collectors and friends is what has occurred.
Arnhem Jim
Arizona Territory
 
I stopped buying almost all 1/30 toy soldiers 5 years ago except for FL Samurai figures which I only buy selectively. I enjoy my 1/18, 1/32, 1/48, 1/72 scale model planes which I mostly build from kits myself (except the 1/18 planes which are pre-built). I think myself more of a scale modeler than collector. I do have a small collection of 1/30 armors & figures from K&C, Figarti, TCS, TG, and FL.
 
I am down to collecting just John Jenkins "War of Roses" and I may be getting selective in this range as well very soon. I will consider a good War Elephant at some point. Space restrictions have finally caught up to me. Better buy what you like because I don't see a lot of new collectors coming up to pass collections to. Except for the very old and rare pieces in a collection, a lot of it could end up as scrap metal...!!!
 
It may by many be deemed heresy, but I will be emphatic. Collecting “toy soldiers” is no longer the collection of toy soldiers! It has become the collection of military miniature figures, armored fighting vehicles/transport, aircraft, other ancillary equipment ((all of varying scale, predominately 1/30 and to a lesser degree 1/32), and the building of dioramas, to incorporate and present all of them for display. Hopefully these diorama groups, within themselves are in reasonably consistent scale. There is nothing wrong with this fact, but within a period of approximately a decade and a half (perhaps longer), that my fellow collectors and friends is what has occurred.
Arnhem Jim
Arizona Territory
Hi Jim,

I would agree that for a portion of the collectors out there you are right on the money. But I think there are still a good number of us who still collect them for what they are. Toy Soldiers. For instance I have been making my collection more about vignettes such as a group of Russian Semi Round October Revolution Figures I found in Estonia last summer(pictures to follow) right before we came home from overseas. View attachment 216113 Or my one of my favorites a set of flats depiction Storm Troopers from WWI in Gas MasksSAM_0462.JPG
this bunch of Starux guys I found in Luxembourg a few summers ago.
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I guess I am still in the old school of collecting them because I enjoy the various styles so much.

Dave
 
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Hi Jim,

I would agree that for a portion of the collectors out there you are right on the money. But I think there are still a good number of us who still collect them for what they are. Toy Soldiers. For instance I have been making my collection more about vignettes such as a group of Russian Semi Round October Revolution Figures I found in Estonia last summer(pictures to follow) right before we came home from overseas. View attachment 216113 Or my one of my favorites a set of flats depiction Storm Troopers from WWI in Gas MasksView attachment 216117
this bunch of Starux guys I found in Luxembourg a few summers ago.
View attachment 216122
I guess I am still in the old school of collecting them because I enjoy the various styles so much.

Dave

Agree with you Dave, you can shine the shoes any color you want they're still just a pair of shoes sort of speak, in the end what we collect are toys, minatures, historical art in small scale, call it whatever you want, as odd as it sounds I'm enjoying my "toy" soldier hobby much now as I did at any point, not stressing over "got to have's" or the "released today, gone tommorow" as it seems to become more and more the norm, if I get lucky to pick up a retired or a new release that's fine and dandy and if not I promise the Sun will still rise the next day, in the end if I didn't make another toy soldier purchase for the next couple years I'd be happy with what I have....not gonna happen though^&grin^&grin
 
I love my collection too much to sell any large part of it anytime soon, but other than that I am in the same boat as Carlos. I have stopped collecting new product except for the occasional exceptional piece that catches my eye, and focus on affordable items in the secondary market. For example, 9 Heco Tinplate Models recently came up for sale on eBay and I bought 5, all for less than original retail. But I might not find another older Heco, Trophy or K&C item I covet for months.

To me, the big change in the hobby is the age of the collectors. While my son is hooked, and will be one of the next generation of collectors, when we go to a Toy Soldier Show, he is one of very few kids his age we see. I fear the combination of higher prices and lack of interest in history in general and Playing with traditional toys and models (kids today seem to seem to focus on video games and electronics) may significantly shrink the hobby and limit future toy Soldier production. The one hope to me is the many kids who my son bring to our house who, having played the many military themed video games, look at my collection and know the military vehicles, aircraft and weapons as well as I do. If enough of them stumble on military miniatures they may prove to be the new blood the hobby needs and I hope for.
 
I restarted my interest in Glossy Toy Soldiers around 25 years ago - and soon began painting castings from a variety of sources - which I still do, Sammy. I've flirted with painting Flats - and my current preferrence is for buying and repairing / restoring, and/or converting old Hollowcasts into something that looks almost NEW. Like Dave - I'm a Magpie too - and buy just what I prefer regardless of who made it.

I have very rarely EVER purchased a brand new painted figure - as the cost of many of these has become prohibitive for me.

Here's an example of what I do below. I call it "Britains Set 72 Plus - Life Guards Past and Present", which have all been repaired restored and repainted from damaged or broken ebay finds. The most expensive piece in this Set of 15 figures cost me £6, and the cheapest was just 10 pence!

Go figure! jb:D


Life Guards past and present.JPG
 
A dynamic venture is always changing as to not change is stagnant. I, too, would convert and paint, but am now buying a few sets when I see something within my price range or that I cannot live without. I try and eliminate too much by sticking to one subject . . . parade figures circa WW1.

Bosun Al
 
I am an interest collector. Generally, I start studying a period or specific campaign and then want to have figures, vehicles and scenes that depict historically accurate events. For me it is like a mystery as I am learning about what happened, why certain things occurred and what the men, animals, civilians and vehicles endured.

This started with the Eastern Front of WWII. At first I collected K&C, but when I found FL's line which tried to depict specific units at specific times it really appealed to me. I do not begrudge other manufacturers who want more generalizable or representative figures and vehicles. I totally agree that is a legitimate market and interest, but it does not work for me.

One of my favorite lines is FL's Caesarian Roman lines. I was reading about Caesar in history books and then the famed 10th Legion and even Gaius Crastinus, one of its most famous Centurions. FL depicts "Caesar's Favorites" or "Caesar's Equestrians" so well. As I read and collected the figures they were mutually reinforcing the learning and experience.

I really did not like armor from the period of Agincourt. I often thought it looked ugly, but started reading about armor during this time (as an extension of reading first about armor during the Crusades as I was collecting the FL Crusaders and wanted to understand the armor of the time.) Wow, FL was nailing very fine details of how bascinets were made, and what Boucicault would wear. Then I learned about a few of the other amazing characters during this period and FL nailed them as well.

So, I mostly collect FL. I do not think that is a secret.

I also find mistakes. I think FL's Spartan does not fit in with the rest of their line. That muscled cuirass probably did not exist until Roman times, the Lambda shield would not show up for another 100 years when even Sparta started using more of a levy-based army than just Spartiates. Again, even this reinforces the learning and the experience.

But I also do purchase what I like, and have a whole battle line of what I consider non-historically accurate Spartans that are more dressed and armored versions of the Spartans from "300." I am some vehicles and other figures that just look cool, too.

That being said, the vast majority of my collection focuses on specific battles and primarily consists of figures, animals, equipment and vehicles that would have existed at that time.

This is also why I have a lot of my vehicles repainted. Most of the Figarti Tigers recently released were not that create for historical situations, so I had 3 repainted to look like actual Grossdeutschland Tigers (two converted to standard late war configurations from the command variant) that would have taken part in the action that Major von Bock received his Knight's Cross. For me, doing the research and identifying what could be historically accurate and then making educated guesses on the rest was tons of fun. Then creating a diorama even enhances this.

Right now, I have some Mitcharti / Mitcheido conversions being done of ED Panzer III Ls into a couple of 11th Panzer, whitewashed panzers that fought in the River Chir Bend battles rather than reinforce von Manstein's forces trying to relieve Stalingrad. Some of the biggest German tactical victories in ultimately an operation that helps lose the war for them. Again, the research and understanding of what happened is key. They just went through a refit, so they should not be too beat up, but when Balck took over he made some changes so they would have looked different than what most 11th Panzer pictures dictate, etc. Discovering this and then applying it to get something that is as historically accurate as possible is what I love.

I have a Russian painter creating a bunch of Somerled's men based on Nigel Tranter's book about him. Understanding that at that time my ancestors (the Macdonalds and several other clans from the Hebrides) were not wearing kilts and looking like traditional Highlanders, but much more like Gaelic/Celtic influenced Vikings was a very cool discovery. Now I am having that painter create this merry band of pirates adorned in a few plaids, lots of Celtic scroll-work and other things that make them reflect something new I learned. I would not call these historically accurate, but at least my attempt to visualize one possibility of what they looked like and to me that is totally cool.

So, I am primarily a FL collector and secondly I get people who will modify things for a reasonable price. My budget is not huge, so I cannot commission high-end painters who do it for a living.

I like being able to discuss things with Matt P. from FL who is of a like mind. He gets where I am coming from. Two other manufacturers choose a different path so their stuff is not for me. I do pick and choose, as well, but only after my first two priorities.

Lastly, these are my choices and my priorities. I do not try to tell others how to collect or how to enjoy it. Just sharing why I do what I do.
 
Because of 2 critical factors, money and space, my collecting has become very focused and very limited. I currently collect only JJD KotS and JJD War of the Roses. Of course, there are many things I would love to have outside of those 2 subjects, but it won't happen. Even scrapping money together for the latest JJD aircraft has become a struggle, it being much easier for me to afford a WoR figure or two rather than an aircraft, and finding a place to display a figure or 2 is much easier than for aircraft. Because of various factors, my TS budget is now about a quarter of what it was, and it continues to shrink as prices continue to climb and other things demand my money. 2 or 3 figures a month, and an aircraft every 4/6 months is about all I can manage at this point. I will stay in as long as I can as there are just too many neat things to be had. -- Al
 
Many interesting and valid comments in this thread...If I may allow me to address a few of them from 2x points of view...first as a fellow collector, second as a manufacturer and a retailer.
As a collector the choice and variety of what is currently on offer is quite staggering, considering toy soldier collecting is indeed a 'niche' hobby limited worldwide to a collector base that is numbered in the thousands (and certainly not hundreds of thousands at that).
That having been said...I have only ever bought something because I liked it...I can never recall buying something because 'I HAD TO'. Of course later I might like something more but at the time of purchase I wanted it and enjoyed it and, in the vast majority of cases, still do.
Of course there were other items I might have liked equally as well but did not have the space...or the money...or the relevant collection to fit them into...C'est la guerre, c'est la vie! Life is full of small disappointments... and so is collecting toy soldiers.
However in the hobby I have been lucky to have a lot more enjoyment and fun than disappointments. More later.
Best wishes and happy collecting! Andy.
 
There are now more options, especially in the better detailed and usually more expensive matt figures and related tanks etc. However as we have seen, traditional toy soldier collectors will most likely continue to collect glossy toy soldiers. I didn't have glossy toy soldiers as a child and have no interest in collecting them now. I did have plenty of Airfix (1/76, 1/32) figures and kits as a child and they obviously influenced me towards better detail in my adult years of collecting.

You rarely see toy soldiers (plastic or glossy) in mainstream toy stores now but that doesn't mean the hobby is doomed. Visit your local gaming store and you will see the wide variety of military games available in all different formats, be it Xbox, Play Station, or PC games like World of Tanks. This is a global interest, there are more kids into military stuff now than there has ever been in history. I still don't know why our Toy Soldier manufacturers don't target this huge potential market.
 

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