A True Comparison (2 Viewers)

[Phantom Warrior]

In all seriousness, fmethorst and I took a detailed look at this when he got the first FL Stug released. This is all on an FL thread several months ago. The measurements of the FL Stug were exactly 1:30 scale. The recent K&C AFVs like the Tunisian Tiger in the photo are also a true 1:30. By standing K&C WW2 figures and Stalingrad soldiers next to FL and K&C AFVs and comparing to actual 1940's photos of crew standing next to the same AFVs, the FL figures matched up with the photos (the FL figures were 1:30) while the K&C figures were larger (taller and fuller) - roughly 1:28.

There is a noticeable size difference in a side-by-side comparison of K&C WW2 and Stalingrad figures.

I don't have any Stalingrad figures, but here is a photo of a 1:30 K&C Tiger, a K&C Aussie digger, an FL French artillery officer and a sapper. A FL Stalingrad figure would be a bit smaller than the FL Nap figures.

In short, the K&C, Figarti and FL AFVs look fine together from a scale point of view but the WW2 figures do not look good for size next to each other.

Terry

 

[Vezzolf]

The overall style of K/C AFV's does not go well with First Legion AFV's and/or soldiers IMHO....To me it's not so much a question of scale....Even though both manufacturers claim produce 1:30 scale ( I WILL NOT EVEN GO THERE as that discussion has been beat to death);First Legion is on a completely different level of realism.....K/C style is more toy-like....I personnally favor the First Legion method and style and have been moving my WWII collection in that direction.....I just don't put these two next to each other in my displays.....I have been setting up FL Stalingrad as a "separate diorama"....K/C to me does not work well as a diorama anyway. First Legion vs. K/C no comparison....Two completely different animals

 

[Phantom Warrior]

The overall style of K/C AFV's does not go well with First Legion AFV's and/or soldiers IMHO....To me it's not so much a question of scale....Even though both manufacturers claim produce 1:30 scale ( I WILL NOT EVEN GO THERE as that discussion has been beat to death);First Legion is on a completely different level of realism.....K/C style is more toy-like....I personnally favor the First Legion method and style and have been moving my WWII collection in that direction.....I just don't put these two next to each other in my displays.....I have been setting up FL Stalingrad as a "separate diorama"....K/C to me does not work well as a diorama anyway. First Legion vs. K/C no comparison....Two completely different animals

I should have been clearer. The recent K&C and Figarti AFVs are really 1:30 as are the FL AFVS. From a size/scale point of reference, K&C figures will go equally well with K&C Figarti or FL AFVs. FL Stalingrad figures will go equally well with FL, Figarti or K&C AFVs. But because of the size difference alone, K&C WW2 figures and FL Stalingrad figures do not look good together. That is before style, detail and finish are even considered.

Terry

 

[Spitfrnd]

While I agree with both of these posts, it does depend on what you are attempting to place with what to some extent and also how you arrange them. For the Napoleonics, I haven't seen any of the K&C foot figures that look good with FL. I do think the K&C Cuirassiers go reasonably well with FL foot and mounted figures, as I think I have shown in some of my dio posts.

 

[jazzeum]

The overall style of K/C AFV's does not go well with First Legion AFV's and/or soldiers IMHO....To me it's not so much a question of scale....Even though both manufacturers claim produce 1:30 scale ( I WILL NOT EVEN GO THERE as that discussion has been beat to death);First Legion is on a completely different level of realism.....K/C style is more toy-like....I personnally favor the First Legion method and style and have been moving my WWII collection in that direction.....I just don't put these two next to each other in my displays.....I have been setting up FL Stalingrad as a "separate diorama"....K/C to me does not work well as a diorama anyway. First Legion vs. K/C no comparison....Two completely different animals

I would generally agree that they don't go well and that they are different; one is a Connoisseur figure and one is not. However, using the word "toy-like" is a bit of a pejorative term and one to which I take exception as they are both considered military miniatures or toy soldiers if you like. Since they do not work well together, as I think we all agree, to say no comparison is technically correct as they are like apples, assuming that was what you meant.

 

[IXEC]

Okay... what I've noticed on the forum here again and again...is if one company make a ' perfect ' example and a historicaly correct version of....well....anything really... and the next thing that happens are the attempts to tear it down in anyway they want to spin it...

Mind you... I'm talking about PERFECT examples....not near, somewhat, or close to perfect examples...which are free and open for spinning

 

[desk11desk12]

Okay... what I've noticed on the forum here again and again...is if one company make a ' perfect ' example and a historicaly correct version of....well....anything really... and the next thing that happens are the attempts to tear it down in anyway they want to spin it...

Mind you... I'm talking about PERFECT examples....not near, somewhat, or close to perfect examples...which are free and open for spinning

Collectors will always compare figures from different manufacturers, it will and should continue. It’s fun!

The quality of toy soldiers has really taken a quantum leap in the last few years with the advent of new companies entering the market in recent years.

The collector has been the big winner and for me, it’s becoming more like the definition of beauty; “it’s in the eye of beholder”.

Carlos

 

[Gebhard]

Collectors will always compare figures from different manufacturers, it will and should continue. It’s fun!

The quality of toy soldiers has really taken a quantum leap in the last few years with the advent of new companies entering the market in recent years.

The collector has been the big winner and for me, it’s becoming more like the definition of beauty; “it’s in the eye of beholder”.

Carlos

Carlos

I agree , and some times its like being with a drunk friend who is about to hook up with a really ugly chick , no matter what you say... he's gonna do it anyway All the best Gebhard

 

[IXEC]

Carlos

I agree , and some times its like being with a drunk friend who is about to hook up with a really ugly chick , no matter what you say... he's gonna do it anyway All the best Gebhard

Yeah...I've noticed that alot here to...Gebhard..LOL..cheers

 

[IXEC]

Collectors will always compare figures from different manufacturers, it will and should continue. It’s fun!

The quality of toy soldiers has really taken a quantum leap in the last few years with the advent of new companies entering the market in recent years.

The collector has been the big winner and for me, it’s becoming more like the definition of beauty; “it’s in the eye of beholder”.

Carlos

I agree Carlos... but sometimes, I think it's the blind describing an elephant....

 

[ecuriel]

"It's what you learn after you know it all that counts." John Wooden

 

[Vezzolf]

I would generally agree that they don't go well and that they are different; one is a Connoisseur figure and one is not. However, using the word "toy-like" is a bit of a pejorative term and one to which I take exception as they are both considered military miniatures or toy soldiers if you like. Since they do not work well together, as I think we all agree, to say no comparison is technically correct as they are like apples, assuming that was what you meant.

Exactly what I mean Brad....I think that K/C and Figarti "can" be used/displayed together since their styles are similar.....but even here It's not a great match.....Figarti AFV's are somewhat better than K/C AFV's and K/C figures are IMO better than Figarti (at this time).....In regards to First Legion Stalingrad their product is a very unique.... "Connoisseur" as you say........They just don't mix "at all" with K/C or Figarti....To suggest that they do would be misleading to prospective FL buyers.....I would venture to say that the anyone who starts a First Legion Stalingrad collection will NOT regret it and will not look back. This product is truely amazing

 

[jazzeum]

Frank,

I think the figures don't mix but since the AFVs of all the companies appear to be the same scale, I might buy the FL AK AFV and display it with my K & C.

 

[nmrocks]

Sorry Vezzolf, but FL is not the "Be all End all" for everyone, I and I know several others who have had Fl and choose not to collect it. It is a different style, just as John Jenkins is a different style and I don't collect them, I prefer a different style, thats all. I'm not trying to start anything, just letting you know there is another side to the story.
Ray

Exactly what I mean Brad....I think that K/C and Figarti "can" be used/displayed together since their styles are similar.....but even here It's not a great match.....Figarti AFV's are somewhat better than K/C AFV's and K/C figures are IMO better than Figarti (at this time).....In regards to First Legion Stalingrad their product is a very unique.... "Connoisseur" as you say........They just don't mix "at all" with K/C or Figarti....To suggest that they do would be misleading to prospective FL buyers.....I would venture to say that the anyone who starts a First Legion Stalingrad collection will NOT regret it and will not look back. This product is truely amazing

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Since I collect pieces from several manufacturers, I get the benefit of choice of various historical periods and do not have to wait for one manufacturer to decide to do pieces I want. I also get a variety of styles which I consider to be a good thing in my collection - I think it adds interest. And I get to cherrypick the pieces I really want. There are impact pieces made by only one manufacturer which I am thrilled to have like The K&C Seizing the Colours, Jenkins Death of Wolfe and the FL French 12 pdr with a complete 7 man gun crew. (Aside from Gebhard saying the French 12 pdr isn't as good as the British or Russian sets, I am still thrilled with it )

Terry

 

[nmrocks]

Sounds like a very sound philosiphy Terry

 

[jbonzo1]

Exactly what I mean Brad....I think that K/C and Figarti "can" be used/displayed together since their styles are similar.....but even here It's not a great match.....Figarti AFV's are somewhat better than K/C AFV's and K/C figures are IMO better than Figarti (at this time).....In regards to First Legion Stalingrad their product is a very unique.... "Connoisseur" as you say........They just don't mix "at all" with K/C or Figarti....To suggest that they do would be misleading to prospective FL buyers.....I would venture to say that the anyone who starts a First Legion Stalingrad collection will NOT regret it and will not look back. This product is truely amazing

Agreed. But, at twice the price, FL product should be perfect. It is very impressive and the more choices we have, the better.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Agreed. But, at twice the price, FL product should be perfect. It is very impressive and the more choices we have, the better.

I don't expect any pieces to be perfect, although some get very close. They are just models. I think the character and artistry of the piece counts - not just accuracy.

Terry

 

[Rutledge]

The overall style of K/C AFV's does not go well with First Legion AFV's and/or soldiers IMHO....To me it's not so much a question of scale....Even though both manufacturers claim produce 1:30 scale ( I WILL NOT EVEN GO THERE as that discussion has been beat to death);First Legion is on a completely different level of realism.....K/C style is more toy-like....I personnally favor the First Legion method and style and have been moving my WWII collection in that direction.....I just don't put these two next to each other in my displays.....I have been setting up FL Stalingrad as a "separate diorama"....K/C to me does not work well as a diorama anyway. First Legion vs. K/C no comparison....Two completely different animals

They are ALL toy soldiers. Some cost more, some are larger, there are different posing and painting styles, etc. But they are all toys.

 

[Spitfrnd]

I agree Carlos... but sometimes, I think it's the blind describing an elephant....

Very good one mate; I rather like that. As to being toys, at the prices either one of them costs they are no more toys than any other hobby item men buy; boats, planes, watches, horses or whatever. They just happen to cost a little less individually but no one I have met stops at just one.

As to FL costing twice as much, it doesn't really but for me the price differential is more than justified. Whether you like the style is up to each one of us but I haven't found anything in this hobby to really compare.