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Check these out. Sorry bout the poor quality pick. AWESOME!!!!!!{eek3}{eek3}{eek3}{eek3}{eek3}{eek3}{eek3}
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Ok, common sense has to tell you that a Julius Caesar figure is in the works maybe even a Marcus Antonius/Mark Anthony figure. Personally very, very excited!!!!
 
Sahara said:
Ok, common sense has to tell you that a Julius Caesar figure is in the works maybe even a Marcus Antonius/Mark Anthony figure. Personally very, very excited!!!!
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That is a nice find Joe. I had no idea some late Republican legionaires were coming. I count 10 different poses in the uppermost group shot. You see the same or am I off?

And I would bet money you are right about Caesar and Antony. They are just as necessary for the Rome range as Napoleon and Blucher are for the Nap range.

Noah
 
Fusilier said:
That is a nice find Joe. I had no idea some late Republican legionaires were coming. I count 10 different poses in the uppermost group shot. You see the same or am I off?

Noah
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Yeah, I count 10 poses as well. Looks like a nice grouping of figures to choose from. What a great start to 2013^&grin
 
Sahara said:
Check these out. Sorry bout the poor quality pick. AWESOME!!!!!!{eek3}{eek3}{eek3}{eek3}
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WOW {eek3}{eek3}{eek3} What a sucker punch this one is .. curse you First Legion must you have all my Hobby Money :mad::mad:
 
Cool! I guess we should see Vercingétorix and a few Gallic warriors soon after this coming release!
 
Really like these Romans.......but I need some ancient Britons .......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Grognard said:
Cool! I guess we should see Vercingétorix and a few Gallic warriors soon after this coming release!
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this series would also lend itself to some great scenic accessories e.g. Roman siegeworks (wooden stockades and towers) and siege engines. I believe that there are some recreations at the actual site today.
 
I prefer the Imperial look but these look like they are done very well.
Mark
 
A question for Joe and the other Roman experts. Is there a significance to the tunic color between the Imperial and Republican periods, or are they just different because First Legion can make them different and still be accurate? I guess what I am asking is, not all army tunics were red, right? I had always thought that a white tunic like these Republican legionaires are wearing was just as common as red.

Noah
 
Fusilier said:
A question for Joe and the other Roman experts. Is there a significance to the tunic color between the Imperial and Republican periods, or are they just different because First Legion can make them different and still be accurate? I guess what I am asking is, not all army tunics were red, right? I had always thought that a white tunic like these Republican legionaires are wearing was just as common as red.

Noah
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Hi Noah,

I'll try to answer this the best I can from what I have read about Roman tunics. Prior to the Marius reform legionarys were expected to provide their own equipment and uniforms. So in the early republican days there probably was not alot of uniformity and the tunic color probably would have varied from soldier to soldier. I wouldnt say that the tunics would be drastically different in color but there probably would be variations with whites and reds since they were the cheapest and easiest dyes to get. After the Marius reforms the tunics were issued to the legionarys. As to there color no one seems to know for sure. The tunics would have been uniform and probably white or red due to cost. Sometime around the second century a Roman general (name slips my mind) refers to red tunics. A blue tunic has been mentioned as well but it was rare and if anyone wore them (still debated) it would have beenRomes marines not the legions.
 
Joe mate,
Following on from Noah's question and as you would appear to be one of the more knowledgable members of the Forum on Roman matters, I have two questions.
(1) The Republican Guard figures by FL have grass/dirt type bases and it was always my understanding that they guarded Rome and would have had a solid concrete internal type base. However, these new figures, which I like by the way, got me digging for more info on then. My question is: Can you give me any references to the Battle of Milvian Bridge which it would seem was the final demise of the Guard and a grass type base would be fitting for a Dio??
(2) A Century was 80 Legionary plus a Centurion. Yet a Century also contained an Optio, a Cornicen and a Signifier. Differing references stated the three were part of the eighty and other references say they were extras eg 80 Legionary plus four. My question is: Can you give me a good reference which will answer my dilemma once and for good??
Hope you can help. If you can't is there anybody else who can help.
Cheers Howard
 
Sahara said:
Hi Noah,

I'll try to answer this the best I can from what I have read about Roman tunics. Prior to the Marius reform legionarys were expected to provide their own equipment and uniforms. So in the early republican days there probably was not alot of uniformity and the tunic color probably would have varied from soldier to soldier. I wouldnt say that the tunics would be drastically different in color but there probably would be variations with whites and reds since they were the cheapest and easiest dyes to get. After the Marius reforms the tunics were issued to the legionarys. As to there color no one seems to know for sure. The tunics would have been uniform and probably white or red due to cost. Sometime around the second century a Roman general (name slips my mind) refers to red tunics. A blue tunic has been mentioned as well but it was rare and if anyone wore them (still debated) it would have beenRomes marines not the legions.
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Thanks Joe. I seem to remember reading somewhere that undyed tunics were common in the lower class, due to the cost issue you mentioned. It would make sense then, for Rome to outfit her vast legions in the most cost-effective clothes.

Noah
 
The size of a century was dependent on which time period you are discussing and how long the legion was in the field. In the early Republic, a century of hastati and principes consisted of 60 men and a century of triarii was 30 men. These were further organized into two-century maniples. The Marian reforms enlarged the centuriae to 80 men and grouped them into six-century "cohorts" (after 70 AD the first cohort had five 160 man centuriae ). In either case, these were the numbers achieved under ideal conditions and in practice, few legions were at full strength for very long. Thus after time on campaign, a century could be almost any number less than 80. The more scholarly references I have seen indicate the Centurion and Optio were in addition to the 80 men of an ideal century but I don't think there is a definitive answer. Since the 80 man ideal size was seldom achieved outside the parade ground, it is rather moot for most purposes.
 
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Harper said:
The size of a century was dependent on which time period you are discussing and how long the legion was in the field. In the early Republic, a century of hastati and principes consisted of 60 men and a century of triarii was 30 men. These were further organized into two-century maniples. The Marian reforms enlarged the centuriae to 80 men and grouped them into six-century "cohorts" (after 70 AD the first cohort had five 160 man centuriae ). In either case, these were the numbers achieved under ideal conditions and in practice, few legions were at full strength for very long. Thus after time on campaign, a century could be almost any number less than 80. The more scholarly references I have seen indicate the Centurion and Optio were in addition to the 80 men of an ideal century but I don't think there is a definitive answer. Since the 80 man ideal size was seldom achieved outside the parade ground, it is rather moot for most purposes.
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This is not meant to be a contradiction, but to add clarification. In my reading it seems the Romans not only counted the combatants in the "century" but also non-combatants. So, a century had 80 legionaries, centurion, cornicen, vexillifer (banner carrier), optio and then 16 non-combatants (generally 2 per 8 legionary section.) This equals 100. As stated above, this is the ideal size and usually varied greatly in the level below this based on the actions the century had endured.
 
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