AWI / ACW – Need non-fighting poses. (1 Viewer)

[Larry Allen]

A soldier spends maybe 5% of his time in battle, 35% marching to (or from) the battle and 60% doing everything else. Why is it that almost all the figures are focused on only the 5% with a few marching figures thrown in?

Although I am only addressing AWI and ACW in this thread, I believe it also applies to almost every other series. The K&C Ancient Egypt series (AE) is a good example of a non-fighting series.

I would like to see future releases showing the AWI / ACW guy maybe cutting down a tree, digging a ditch, building a wall or fence, cooking, sitting around a camp fire, pitching a tent, reading or writing a letter, smoking a pipe against a tree, playing cards, DRINKING, or any of the hundreds of things that soldiers do. I noticed that in other series K&C has started to introduce (Non-action) poses and that is great.

Am I the only one who would be interested in these or are there other???

 

[REVWARBUFF]

Hi Larry,

I am with you on this. I appreciate all the poses and I believe you are probably correct in that most figures are positioned in that "5%" you mentioned. (I haven't really given it much thought to even notice).

I think however, that the manufacturers concentrate on making mostly battle poses because most people like to capture that 5% in their collections/scenes/dioramas.......the action.......the part that isn't seen so much. Maybe it is more appealing to us as that is where the history is made.

I think having other poses would give us collectors more options. It seems that the manufacturers will only do this if they think it will sell. How K&C or any of the others can calculate the demand for figures in non-combat poses is beyond me. If they use this forum at all as any kind of measurement, then they can count me in.

Mark

 

[Doughboy]

I think there is a good mixture of fighting and non-fighting in K&Cs releases. As far as ACW and AWI are concerned, there probably are more fighting figures than otherwise, but there are a few marching figures thrown in in most of the releases as well, and the first release of Confederate infantry was all marching/camp figures. However, I would also like to see some figures who are in a more "relaxed" state (such as the BBA figures of a couple of years ago who were reading newspapers, drinking cokes, ect). But this is only a minor wish as firing, loading, and charging figures are primarily what I collect.

 

[Guy]

Larry
you are absolutely right . And it applies to all series. These figurines are ever so vital and important for any dio showing a scene behind the front line.Soldiers leaning against a wall , standing in line for food distribution, tying shoe laces, playing cards, writing letters , etc. etc .. What is also important is some extra separate gear, equipment, weapons and spare helmets, canteens,backpacks , amunition holders and ammunition boxes of all sizes and calibres.I am 100% with you
guy:smile2:

 

[Larry Allen]

Thanks folks, so you see the issue that I am pondering. After a good long time of "simply" being a collector I am starting to build my display. Like the good engineer (for 30 years) I am in the planning phase. Like DoughBoy mentioned there are a good number of Marching and Standing Guard. They will work well just behind the action. But what would have been great is to show construction of the Redoubt at Bunker Hill being built or throwing together a log defense.

Also camp life might be an interesting section.

Hummmmmm ... .... I wonder if I dress the Egyptians in a Fur-skin hat or a Colonial waist coat they would blend in?????

 

[Cornwallis]

I feel a bit hard done by anyway as a collector of AWI figures, due to the infrequency that new figures are released in this series, but to have the suggestions you have made would get the thumbs up from me.

I think it would also be good to have some dead and different types of wounded figures as well as sets you could put together in a display like a soldier bayoneting another or a cavalry man slicing into somone. I think there are a couple of figures in the Alamo range where two fighting men are in a set, these would also be great for AWI or any other series.

 

[Jagdpanther]

Would be nice to see non fighting poses.

 

[nysoldiers]

Old Northwest (ONTC) and Tedtoy do some camp scenes....

 

[Larry Allen]

Hey Cornwallis.
Actually, causalities are another issue that I have in the King and Country AWI series.

K&C only has TWO sets, one being BR47, the Indian clubbing a downed Colonial soldier and the second set is BR50, a British soldier getting shot. On the ARxx side of things there are NO causalities at all.

So if you prescribe to what Doughboy and REVWARBUFF mention,(I think however, that the manufacturers concentrate on making mostly battle poses because most people like to capture that 5% in their collections/scenes/dioramas.......the action.......the part that isn't seen so much.) you would think that Andy and the K&C folks would have a maybe dozen or so of these.

Have you seen the “First Legion” AWI sets yet? They have some WONDERFUL figures which include causalities. See their website or visit George’s Guerriero web site at www.mmtoysoldiers.com for a look-see at AWI034 thru AWI039. First Legion has 6 out of 19 British sets or 32% wounded / hurt. The Colonials sets have 2 out of 20 wounded / hurt or 10%. K&C has 0% in the AR line and only about 2% in the BR line
Conte also made some causality sets, which I have some, but I find they are hard to mix with K&C figures. I am not sure of the Britain’s but I think that they have a few.

If you are reading this thread, K&C folks, you don’t want me to go elsewhere to buy these sets?

 

[Cornwallis]

Hi Larry

Yes the FL figures do definitely have more varied poses, but they are out of my price range per figure. :redface2:

I do love my K&C AWI figures, I just think we are a very low priority series and therefore that is why we probably don't get so many figures such as dead, wounded etc. WWII collectors are so spoilt they even get civilians! ^&grin

Hey Cornwallis.
Actually, causalities are another issue that I have in the King and Country AWI series.

K&C only has TWO sets, one being BR47, the Indian clubbing a downed Colonial soldier and the second set is BR50, a British soldier getting shot. On the ARxx side of things there are NO causalities at all.

So if you prescribe to what Doughboy and REVWARBUFF mention,(I think however, that the manufacturers concentrate on making mostly battle poses because most people like to capture that 5% in their collections/scenes/dioramas.......the action.......the part that isn't seen so much.) you would think that Andy and the K&C folks would have a maybe dozen or so of these.

Have you seen the “First Legion” AWI sets yet? They have some WONDERFUL figures which include causalities. See their website or visit George’s Guerriero web site at www.mmtoysoldiers.com for a look-see at AWI034 thru AWI039. First Legion has 6 out of 19 British sets or 32% wounded / hurt. The Colonials sets have 2 out of 20 wounded / hurt or 10%. K&C has 0% in the AR line and only about 2% in the BR line
Conte also made some causality sets, which I have some, but I find they are hard to mix with K&C figures. I am not sure of the Britain’s but I think that they have a few.

If you are reading this thread, K&C folks, you don’t want me to go elsewhere to buy these sets?

 

[Larry Allen]

Yep, I feel your pain! Well, I am sure, sooner or later all the WWII collectors will see the light and start collecting AWI. :wink2: :wink2: (Now that should cause a STORM on this Fourm!!!)

 

[Cornwallis]

Every dispatches is like Christmas for them, but our releases are like a leap year only happens once every four years! ^&grin

 

[theBaron]

Here's where those of us who paint our own are at an advantage There are some 18th century civilian figures out there, in kit form, from Imrie-Risley's catalog to the newly resuscitated Phoenix Model Miniatures, to Rose, Sanderson, Old Guard. If you don't paint your own, John Eden has a mixture of Phoenix, Rose and Sanderson civilians available through his website. You can also still find Frontline's Colonial Classics-which bear a striking resemblance to Phoenix figures, don't they?-on eBay and elsewhere in the seconday market.

It would be nice to see some new ones, though, I do agree.

Prost!
Brad

 

[theBaron]

Re-reading your thread, I think I may have gone wide of the mark--you're looking specifically for military figures in non-combat poses? I'll stand by my suggestions, though the number of figures in that group drops. Phoenix had the best proportion of figures that could be finished as military, in non-combat poses.

I have to correct my mention of Old Guard, too, I meant to say Monarch Miniatures. Monarch had some very nice vignettes, including a pair of Continentals playing checkers, and a recruiting party from the Revolutionary War. Mr. Benkert is still in business, too, but only sells through mail order, no online availability. His address is PO Box238, Malverne, NY 11565-0238, and he'll add you to his mailing list.

Prost!
Brad

 

[Larry Allen]

Thanks Brad.
YES civilians and soldiers alike. I will take a look at the sites you mentioned. A BIG thanks. I will seriously ponder trying to paint my own. I can always say that they are "Battlefield" injuries. {eek3}

I would love to build (for example) an 1774 - 1776 Colonial scene of Boston, Lexington Green and other places. So many possibilities!!! :tongue:

 

[blackcross4]

Larry
you are absolutely right . And it applies to all series. These figurines are ever so vital and important for any dio showing a scene behind the front line.Soldiers leaning against a wall , standing in line for food distribution, tying shoe laces, playing cards, writing letters , etc. etc .. What is also important is some extra separate gear, equipment, weapons and spare helmets, canteens,backpacks , amunition holders and ammunition boxes of all sizes and calibres.I am 100% with you
guy:smile2:

Agree with you Guy.
^&cool