Bad Research!!! You A'int Seen Noth'n (1 Viewer)

It's a shame really as it's a nice thought and it would have looked great if only they hadn't buggered up with all the inaccuracies!

Tom
 
I agree that the errors are terrible. It is hard to understand how errors like the use of modern images of American troops could have gone undetected, particular by veterans of the war. A basic google search for images would have provided plenty of accurate options.

If I could raise one very small observation that does not seek to excuse but rather perhaps to encourage some sympathy. I have worked on community commemoration activities, some involving military service, others of a more general nature. Invariably, before you start there is the traditional call for assistance and information so that no one (particularly no one 'important') is forgotten. Even in high profile, emotional commemorations, the response to a general call for information was pretty ordinary. Individual approaches were more fruitful but the Catch 22 was that you had to know who to approach before being able to target them. Without fail, the information the week after something was published or commemorated in stone far outweighed the input that had dribbled in over the three months prior to reaching the point of no return. As I have done to these veterans at the start of this post, people were quite prepared to say 'You should have ...', 'Why didn't you ...' and the very hard to refute 'You have shown no respect for the ...' Over the past year or so a few people have approached me for advice about their own projects and I have invariably encouraged then to advertise widely and regularly for information. In their innocence they say 'I will probably get most of what I need from that'. I reply 'Nowhere near it ... but at least when people complain you can ask them 'why didn't you respond earlier'?

I used to work for a guy who would inevitably ask when something went wrong whether 'If you had your time again, would you do things differently'. It was of course a trap because any 'sane' person felt compelled to say 'yes' and then he would pounce. I played ball the first time, but after that I would look him square in the face and say 'absolutely not. If the same circumstances arose again, I would do exactly the same thing'. To prove my point, I would actually give it a go. Sanity is such a subjective thing don't you think?
 
One of my memoirs about a US marine in the Pacific has a picture of two Germans apparently on the Eastern Front on the cover. Sure, same war but.......
 
Seen worse. Best I ever saw was an Osprey book (a pseudonym for crap quality) the Graf Spee burning in Montevideo and they had the picture depicting damaged shipping in Tobruk Harbour!!! I rang them and they just could not care a hoot. Another was on Kursk it may as well have started with... ''once upon a time''!! Pile of pretend historians who may have the qualifications on paper but, would not know a Tiger from a focke wulf or, anything about the subject.

It dismays me how slack people are and this is just another example
Mitch
 
One of my memoirs about a US marine in the Pacific has a picture of two Germans apparently on the Eastern Front on the cover. Sure, same war but.......

Yes ... some errors are just killers. Yet the year before the monument was constructed there was no monument and people did not complain. It can be a bit of that old idea that the critic does not dare himself but judges others. Having worked as an historian it does mean that you operate in the public gaze. One phone call I took was from someone who was angered that a minor detail was incorrect (the primary source I had used was wrong, so the original author of the error had been dead for fifity years) and there was little I could say other than to calmly state the fact that there were literally thousands of facts in the book and I was sorry that the one he was able to identify was incorrect. To emphasise how much on the sidelines he actually was, he asked for a refund. I said no worries, just send the book back to the publisher. Turned out he hadn't even bought one but wanted the refund anyway. He then gave me a long story about why he didn't go to University which was probably a fairy tale. When he asked for an address to send his complaint to, I took great delight in giving him my details with 'Dr' in front. I have no illusions about the title, but in that instant all those years of study were suddenly worthwhile.
 
I can't agree with excusing the errors. These are the kind of errors that we expect from The History Channel. If you're going to do a monument to the men who served and especially to those who died, and the design calls for such images, I think they deserve better. It's incumbent on the designer to do more thorough research. Maybe it would have been better, though, to have designed a simpler monument. Were the images necessary, or would not a simple list of the names of those who served have sufficed?

Prost!
Brad
 
Jack- on the other side of tings, I recently interviewed an old WW2 veteran who was effectively in charge of the post-liberation operations of Buchenwald. To my surprise, when I asked if he had been interviewed or contacted before, he told me he had not. In one book, the name of his absentee boss was referenced as the person who ran the camp, but no one ever contacted either of them (the other guy was long dead and had not actually done anything.) The man I talked to had complete maps he had drawn, photos, stories, and important information about the camp as well as crucial 3rd person impressions of the prisoner culture at large. He had interesting things to say about the townspeople as well. I asked him if not being contacted bothered him. He scoffed at the idea. He said that people think what they want to, but when they are ready to know what happened, he had it all written down and ready to go. He just did not understand why he should be upset over small mistakes. If anyone wants to read some of the interview, just PM me.
-Sandor :salute::
 
Well the biggest problem, just like everything else in America, is that the work was outsourced. Maybe if it was done locally, they would have used correct images.
 
Well the biggest problem, just like everything else in America, is that the work was outsourced. Maybe if it was done locally, they would have used correct images.

I'm going to have to disagree on that point, too. Whoever was in charge of getting this monument set up should have known to check the work, as a good habit, if for no other reason, regardless of where the work was done. If your name were going on it, would you not check that all the i's were dotted and all the t's crossed?

Prost!
Brad
 
How about Frontline's Berdan's Sharpshooters ramming cartridges down the muzzles of their Springfield muskets?
 
As we regularly see even in this hobby putting your name to something that is wrong counts for very little. Its no badge of shame today to be associated with poor work or shoddy research.
Mitch

I'm going to have to disagree on that point, too. Whoever was in charge of getting this monument set up should have known to check the work, as a good habit, if for no other reason, regardless of where the work was done. If your name were going on it, would you not check that all the i's were dotted and all the t's crossed?

Prost!
Brad
 
I'd like to know the reason why shipping approximately 4000 lbs of granite around the world
is more cost effective than shipping it 160 miles from Lebanon to the park in Chillicothe.
One of the biggest laser imaging facilities in the U.S. is in Lebanon. Something
strange here. Of course the errors could have been done there also.
http://www.imageinstone.com/
 
How about Frontline's Berdan's Sharpshooters ramming cartridges down the muzzles of their Springfield muskets?

I remember that one well, since I bought the set from them at one of the shows. I subsequently sold it and bought the corrected set. My good friends at Frontline, Gerard Prime and the late Howard Swales, also made a couple of mistakes on their World War II line which I pointed out to them at the time. The 29th Infantry Division BAR man is not firing a BAR, but rather some non-existing concoction. The German MG42 gunner is wearing an American M1 helmet not a German M35 stahlhelm.
 

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