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Well, you could be right about that too. That might be an argument militating against both of them. As you start producing more expensive items, you do narrow the range of possible customers. I suppose it's not too dissimilar to making cars: Toyota makes its regular line and its luxury cars, Lexus. The luxury cars are not intended to be sold to everyone.

However, from what I understand warbirds will not be expensive as this vehicle.

And Andy has said that he doesn't expect collectors to buy all that he makes as he caters to collectors on different budgets.
 
Using your analogy, let's just say Honour Bound is making Lexus' and the finer details like better tracks, the lifting crane, targeting sight on machine gun, etc. simply cost more to produce. I plan on purchasing the winter and two camo variants.:)
 
Steven,

What you do with your money is up to you. All I'm saying is that items such as this (and you can group the warbirds if you wish) will not be affordable by all collectors. That you can purchase all three variants speaks to the fact that money isn't as much a concern for you as it may be for others. However, not all collectors can afford to do that. Perhaps Honour Bound wish to become the St. Petersburg of 1/30 scale. If they wish to do that, that is fine. To reiterate, not all collectors may be able to purchase them. A Lexus is a little better than Toyota's regular automobiles. Not everybody can afford to buy one of those and not everybody may be able to afford to buy a Bergepanther or a warbird.
 
A redone K/C halftrack with 5 guys, only 2 that are posable is priced at 200 bucks and that is sucked up almost immediately with no reservations. This is an entirely new and unique model with details to die for and Brad, you have a cost issue with it. Where was the concern for the increased price point for a K/C reissue? Michael :confused:
 
I'll probably get one at some point but I am concerned about the escalating price of these collectibles, which are current items (not even retired), and the ability of people to afford them. That's all. I love the item and I think it's fantastic. I am just concerned about escalating prices. I understand this is an expensive hobby but I think the point does need to be mentioned, which I did, with no intent to go on about it. So, I'll be quiet hereafter.
 
Brad:

I agree, it is certainly worth speaking about. Quality for a reasonable price

attracts people to the hobby. It is an important factor to be considered by

the manufacters. Especially those just starting out, trying to build a following.

Njja
 
jazzeum said:
... That you can purchase all three variants ...
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Just wanted to say you misinterpreted my comment. I only plan on purchasing two of the HB Bergepanther variants: the winter and double camo versions. I do have a budget.:D
 
No doubt it's alot of money, but given the choice between the K&C 251 and the berge and a couple bucks more, this wins hands down for me. But Brad your right, at some point I will say "****, That's just too expensive for me" Though frankly, I don't know where that is? The stuff just keeps getting better and better.
Ray
PS. Always wanted a Lexus!
 
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If it were a Lexus or an 86 Chevy, the market will determine the price. If Honour Bound is able to capture $210 for each model and still sell enough of them to make a reasonable profit, the hobby trend be ****ed. The market will determine the hobby pricing.

If the market is growing or has more disposable income, then the prices shall adjust to an equilibrium. All it will take is oil priced at greater than $100 per barrel and we shall see what this hobby's pricing system will be.:(

All I personally care about is that manufacturers continue to produce ever increasingly better products and that those products fit my preference for collecting. So far, so good. The Hummel and the Middle Age figures are a perfect examples.:)
 
One must also consider value, Andy and King & Country have established a

reputation and known value in the marketplace. He has spent years earning

his place, and collectors know his retired pieces command interest with other

collectors.

Personally, and this is simply my opinion, I will not be lured away. The other

offerings are quite impressive, but I started with King & Country and thats my

brand.

Njja
 
Njja said:
One must also consider value, Andy and King & Country have established a

reputation and known value in the marketplace. He has spent years earning

his place, and collectors know his retired pieces command interest with other

collectors.

Personally, and this is simply my opinion, I will not be lured away. The other

offerings are quite impressive, but I started with King & Country and thats my

brand.

Njja
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I totally respect your view point and your loyalty, I suspect you shall not go wrong by your plan, however you might consider that years back the same was said by many Britains collectors as they thunbed there noses at the new boys on the block, I wonder if there as happy today.
Before you start in on me, I don't believe K&C will ever go the way of Britains, but it's a big world out there and I can Guarantee you that the only thing that NEVER changes is that things ALWAYS change.
Spend your money as you see fit, but in the end blind loyalty is blind.
Ray
 
I think that I am the poster boy for King & Country brand loyalty, but I don't care, I have to buy one of these Bergepanthers. For one thing, I highly doubt Andy will ever produce one, and I view Honour Bound as a complimentary rather than competitive producer. For another, the detail is superb, and will not look out of place displayed alongside of the best wood, metal and resin vehicles K&C ever made. As far as the price is concerned, $210 is no sweat considering I used to spend $386 for a K&C wood vehicle, and Heco Tin WWII Tiger Tanks were North of $450. So Anna, keep on making the best quality and most interesting vehicles you and your team can cook up. I for one, will find room for one Bergepanther and one Field Kitchen in my K&C museum.
 
nmrocks said:
I totally respect your view point and your loyalty, I suspect you shall not go wrong by your plan, however you might consider that years back the same was said by many Britains collectors as they thunbed there noses at the new boys on the block, I wonder if there as happy today.
Before you start in on me, I don't believe K&C will ever go the way of Britains, but it's a big world out there and I can Guarantee you that the only thing that NEVER changes is that things ALWAYS change.
Spend your money as you see fit, but in the end blind loyalty is blind.
Ray
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Ray..I certainly have no intention of starting in on you. I have seen far to many comments on people being bullied on the Forum. Which I find hard to
understand. The conversations have gotten heated but we should all feel free to express our opinions.

About Britians, as a young boy I had a nice little collection, including the
Coronation coach but I was always breaking the delicate figures. I have found
King & Country items to be much more resilient which I appreciate.

Of course everyone is free to pursue what ever they like, but if I was advising someone I would recommend putting their hard earned money in
something with a track record of value. We are not talking about peanuts
here......you can easily drop several thousand dollars a year and years go
by quickly.

It would be nice to think that $10 to $15 thousand spent over a few years
would still be worth that and more.

I know some folks will say, I don't care about the money....its my hobby. But
think about it, I no longer have to worry about money but believe me I
do now more then ever, thats how I got here.

Njja
 
NJJA,
Thank you for your considerate response, your points are all valid and I too have done very well with my K&C collection which i am most proud of as the best there is. My only concern with your position was it seemed you were willing to deny yourself the quailty that is so obvious in the Berge for sake of loyalty. While I can never imagine the day when I say no to K&C, it won't prevent me from "buying the better mouse trap", by all appearences, the Berge rises to a new level and would compliment my collection or perhaps even elivate it. One of the consequences of a higher level of quality is it tends to devalue items of lesser quality through a shift in demand. I believe we are already seeing some of that shift in the secondary market as the astronomical prices of the recent past have slackened on all but a select few items.
I've gotten way too long winded, You're OK, I'm OK, I look forward to meeting you some day and seeing your collection and sharing an adult beverage.
Ray
 
NJJA (John) and MNRocks (Ray),

Save the second weekend in March, come to the Symposium, and I'll buy the adult beverages as we talk the relative merits of K&C, Honour Bound, Figarti, MNA, etc.

Regards,

Louis
 
Ana-
Will there also be a damaged Panther with the BergePanther? If so, look forward to seeing pics of the entire combo. Great work.
 
Yes, Doug, there will be a damaged Panther for the Bergepanther, but it won't be ready for the show. I think we'll be releasing it by november or so.

Ana
 
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Ana,

Love the Bergepanther,the quality looks superb.Can't decide yet as to whether i get a summer or winter one,will there be a damaged Panther for all versions?

Rob
 
Thank you, Rob! There will be a winter camo version for the Winter Bergepanther, and a standard ambush colour to be used with the Autumn and Summer versions.

Ana

PS: I will have news about the new UK dealer very soon.
 
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