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[cantinetozzo]

Eh eh Free Europe?Never heard of the 1848?The issue is complicated i know..but for Italy (i'm talking about that) the return of the Borbons in the south and the Austro Hungarian in the north (and the Papal State) was a step back in matter of liberties..Napoleon was a dictator but he prized the merit (beside his relatives), under the other monarchs reigned only the corruption and the nepotism..

 

[Rob]

Eh eh Free Europe?Never heard of the 1848?The issue is complicated i know..but for Italy (i'm talking about that) the return of the Borbons in the south and the Austro Hungarian in the north (and the Papal State) was a step back in matter of liberties..Napoleon was a dictator but he prized the merit (beside his relatives), under the other monarchs reigned only the corruption and the nepotism..

Ever heard of the rest of Europe who may not wanted to have been ruled by Napoleon?

Rob

 

[cantinetozzo]

Ehi Rob i'm talking of Italy...that was only my opinion on the matter ..Napoleon was'nt the ogre someone depicts , he did many good things and i was just pointing that..it's natural that the Prussian or the Netherlanders look at him in a different way, some Italians too do this (Massena, himself a piemontese ,massacred a whole town in Lucania - South Italy), and i share the view the British Government rightfully from his point of view tried to protect the "status quo" intervening in war in Europe but nonetheless i think the people of Europe with the revolution and the subsequent Napoleon's rule tasted many liberties that gave then way to all the revolutions and indipendences gained in the 19th century.So in the end that is why i rank Napoleon so high in my preferences.

 

[Rob]

Ehi Rob i'm talking of Italy...that was only my opinion on the matter ..Napoleon was'nt the ogre someone depicts , he did many good things and i was just pointing that..it's natural that the Prussian or the Netherlanders look at him in a different way, some Italians too do this (Massena, himself a piemontese ,massacred a whole town in Lucania - South Italy), and i share the view the British Government rightfully from his point of view tried to protect the "status quo" intervening in war in Europe but nonetheless i think the people of Europe with the revolution and the subsequent Napoleon's rule tasted many liberties that gave then way to all the revolutions and indipendences gained in the 19th century.So in the end that is why i rank Napoleon so high in my preferences.

Yep each to their own.That is why in this country we thank god for Nelson at Trafalgar and Wellington at Waterloo.It was those two who kept my country free.

Rob

 

[cantinetozzo]

Every country has a different story..without offence to anyone there's a joke here in Italy : "500 years of war in Italy give birth to Leonardo,Raffaello,Michelangelo and many others ...500 years of peace in Switzerland led to what?Cuckoo Clocks and chocolate!"..eh eh...differences are good !

 

[cantinetozzo]

By the way where i live (90 km more to the north ) there's Maida!Who knows what is?

 

[Evzone]

What a marvellous thread, we started with Adolf and his murderous gang and ended up with Italian painters and Swiss clocks........personally I thought it was all about a love for toy soldiers x

 

[Rob]

Every country has a different story..without offence to anyone there's a joke here in Italy : "500 years of war in Italy give birth to Leonardo,Raffaello,Michelangelo and many others ...500 years of peace in Switzerland led to what?Cuckoo Clocks and chocolate!"..eh eh...differences are good !

Myself i love Italy.My grandfather was Italian,the food is some of the best in the world(i didn't get to this size without Pasta!)and the people and weather are great.Am hoping my next Italian trip is to Monte Cassino.

As for the Swiss,well after Pasta, Chocolate is a close second

Rob

 

[redhugh]

Ever heard of the rest of Europe who may not wanted to have been ruled by Napoleon?

Rob

Well ..there was the Irish ..who lobbyed Napolean to send a force , napolean did send a force but not in suffucient numbers , (as he was tied up in egypt) and the force which landed after intial sucesses was defeated by Cornwallis

 

[Rob]

Well ..there was the Irish ..who lobbyed Napolean to send a force , napolean did send a force but not in suffucient numbers , (as he was tied up in egypt) and the force which landed after intial sucesses was defeated by Cornwallis

You couldn't let it go could you

Rob

 

[cantinetozzo]

Eh eh Rob we agree on that..for me Chocolate is better than pasta and i thanks the Swiss for that !Monte Cassino is a must see..i was there a few yers ago but i plan to return someday (there's a good tour in this period called "4 passi sulla Gustav" --roughly traduced "4 steps on the Gustav (line)").There's a bit of italy in everyone (even under pasta form)!!!

 

[Capitolron]

You'd rather live under a dictator(no offence Ron) than in a free Europe that followed Wellingtons victory?!

Rob

One man's dictator is another man's HERO !

Did I just said OBAMA aloud ? - LOL !

 

[Capitolron]

Ever heard of the rest of Europe who may not wanted to have been ruled by Napoleon?

Rob

Rob

No offense - But, if we are talking about Countries who would like not to be ruled - do you want to to include - America (US), Ireland, India and Several Parts of Africa ? Under that wonderful Monarchy of England ?

I don't think your comment can be reserved just for Napoleon.

Cheers, Ron

 

[Rob]

Rob

No offense - But, if we are talking about Countries who would like not to be ruled - do you want to to include - America (US), Ireland, India and Several Parts of Africa ? Under that wonderful Monarchy of England ?

I don't think your comment can be reserved just for Napoleon.

Cheers, Ron

Ron,am I suffering Deja vous or have we been here before?!

Rob

 

[Capitolron]

Ron,am I suffering Deja vous or have we been here before?!

Rob

It must be the "dizzies" from the deal we are cutting for you with K&C UK

 

[storch]

Going back to the Hugo Boss theme... I like to wear Hugo Boss clothes; I especially love their suits (incredible fit). What is interesting is that a couple of years ago, the company started to bring back military style coats, jackets and pants. Anyone who knows a little about WWII would immediately know where the inspiration for the clothes came from (even the skinny male models and the "techno" music at the runway shows couldn't hide the elegantly martial look of the clothes). What is even more interesting is that within a couple of months many top designers started to copy the models from Boss and apparently from WWII German uniforms books. Of particular note was the Gebirsjagers' wind jacket. This is one of the greatest garments made by the German military in WWII (elegant, rugged, practical, versatile). A British top designer (i forget his name) made a an exact copy of the jacket in brown oiled cloth (like the Barbour jackets); retail price, $600.00. John Varvatos also made a version of the jacket; I saw it at Bloomingdale's being sold for $1,000.00. The irony of all this is that the people who bought these jackets did not have a clue of the origins of the design.

 

[Blowtorch]

With the new Brit band and Monty/Winnie car, all you need is Patton & you can do a Messina parade

 

[Evzone]

Stone Island, an Italian brand of designer clothes, manufactured a number of military style coats and jackets a year or two ago. Stone Island is the prefered designer of a number of football related hooligan 'firms' in the UK and Europe who have links to the far-right. Some pubs and clubs in England do not allow people in wearing this stuff. The Stone Island compass trademark is synonomous amongst underground right-wing groups as an identifier. Needless to say this doesn't mean everyone wearing it is either a hooligan, extreme right-wing but it has social uniform connections such as skinheads wearing Doc Marten boots and braces.

 

[cantinetozzo]

Stone Island, an Italian brand of designer clothes, manufactured a number of military style coats and jackets a year or two ago. Stone Island is the prefered designer of a number of football related hooligan 'firms' in the UK and Europe who have links to the far-right. Some pubs and clubs in England do not allow people in wearing this stuff. The Stone Island compass trademark is synonomous amongst underground right-wing groups as an identifier. Needless to say this doesn't mean everyone wearing it is either a hooligan, extreme right-wing but it has social uniform connections such as skinheads wearing Doc Marten boots and braces.

I confirm that..Stone Island also produced a jacket with the Fallschirmjagers camouflage pattern..ideal for re-enacting..here in Italy the brand is preferred by many (i have friends that have "communist" ideas but continue to wear it) and i didn't know of the pubs and clubs preclusion..i must inform a few friends ..

 

[Evzone]

The pubs and clubs preclusion is limited to mostly matchdays! The British press have on occassion made references to Italian right-wing ultras bedecked in black, wearing Stone Island gear. Lazio and Roma especially have come into focus!