Beware Russian 54mm figures (1 Viewer)
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The EK casting have great detail; but are all oversize. Some sellers on Ebay designate them as 60mm. The Roman, Spartan and Viking figures I purchased were all 63 to 65mm tall. They go well with Del Prado Rome and Her Enemies figures; which fall in the same range. St. George Cross figures from Russia are 54 mm. I buy from Alex7Alexi on Ebay and he designates each figure he sells as 54mm, 54-60mm or 60mm. I would classify them as 1/32, 1/30 and 1/28. All of them are fantastic figures for the money. The detail is what you would expect to find on 75mm figures IMO.
Like any Toy Soldier you buy today the size stated is rarely the actual size of the figure. 54mm is a generic size. The actual size can vary from 54 to 65mm in my experience ordering figures from Russia. Aeroart figures are advertised as 54mm; but measure 57-58mm typically!
The exact same situation exists when ordering Toy Soldiers from any dealer unless you inquire. Treefrog makes a great effort to assure that their customers are informed of the actual figure size. Scales are posted adjacent to many figures from many manufacturers in many photos posted by Julie. Julie's exceptional Size Comparison thread has been invaluable in determining which manufacturers will work together and which will not. I recently asked Julie by PM if the K&C LOJ Romans were the same size as the new issue Romans and she posted comparison photos within one day. A very great service IMO!
The exact same situation exists when ordering Toy Soldiers from any dealer unless you inquire. Treefrog makes a great effort to assure that their customers are informed of the actual figure size. Scales are posted adjacent to many figures from many manufacturers in many photos posted by Julie. Julie's exceptional Size Comparison thread has been invaluable in determining which manufacturers will work together and which will not. I recently asked Julie by PM if the K&C LOJ Romans were the same size as the new issue Romans and she posted comparison photos within one day. A very great service IMO!
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Once again the "scale " 54mm is at the origin typical for manufacturers of fig in kit and is measured from foot sole to the eyes
And no it's not a legend Stadden, Lasset, Sanderson, Imrie, Vaillant, Vallance, Squadron, New Hope, Rose and many others respected the scale even today .
American toy makers historicaly made 60mm foots to the top of the skull and the most recent toysoldiers makers respect nothing and have some strange comprehension of scale and sizes so you must know that kits 54mm will always be shorter than any actual toy soldiers
In their range of military vehicles, a company like Force of Valor respect "scale" 1/32 both for vehicles and soldiers, King and Country write on their box 1/32 but obviously the soldiers are not
And the big question is 1/32 of what ? For a vehicle ( tank, car, plane etc ) there is no doubt, the actual size is constant, but for a human being the size is absolutely not constant, the average medium size of people in Middle Age was a lot smaller than the size of soldiers of the 20th century, and the size of soldiers in the same army is never a constant . The 54mm principle is constant diregarding size of past or actual soldiers, it's always 54mm from foot sole to eyes level .( except perhaps for children or special troops like Postdam guards )
If you announce 1/32 or any other as the scale, the same manufacturer would have to make his Middle Age soldiers shorter than actual soldiers, in fact it seems that nor 54mm or 1/something respect this aspect of a man size .
Personaly I don't care, basicaly I'm an amateur of figurines you paint yourself in any scales 25mm, 30mm, 40mm, 54mm, 75mm, 80mm, 90mm, 120mm ( to name a few ), and by extension when buying toy soldiers, I don't care either . I have in the same cabinets figurines of all size, my only concern when buying is always : do I like it ? Yes ! So let's go .
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And no it's not a legend Stadden, Lasset, Sanderson, Imrie, Vaillant, Vallance, Squadron, New Hope, Rose and many others respected the scale even today .
American toy makers historicaly made 60mm foots to the top of the skull and the most recent toysoldiers makers respect nothing and have some strange comprehension of scale and sizes so you must know that kits 54mm will always be shorter than any actual toy soldiers
In their range of military vehicles, a company like Force of Valor respect "scale" 1/32 both for vehicles and soldiers, King and Country write on their box 1/32 but obviously the soldiers are not
And the big question is 1/32 of what ? For a vehicle ( tank, car, plane etc ) there is no doubt, the actual size is constant, but for a human being the size is absolutely not constant, the average medium size of people in Middle Age was a lot smaller than the size of soldiers of the 20th century, and the size of soldiers in the same army is never a constant . The 54mm principle is constant diregarding size of past or actual soldiers, it's always 54mm from foot sole to eyes level .( except perhaps for children or special troops like Postdam guards )
If you announce 1/32 or any other as the scale, the same manufacturer would have to make his Middle Age soldiers shorter than actual soldiers, in fact it seems that nor 54mm or 1/something respect this aspect of a man size .
Personaly I don't care, basicaly I'm an amateur of figurines you paint yourself in any scales 25mm, 30mm, 40mm, 54mm, 75mm, 80mm, 90mm, 120mm ( to name a few ), and by extension when buying toy soldiers, I don't care either . I have in the same cabinets figurines of all size, my only concern when buying is always : do I like it ? Yes ! So let's go .
Best
I had the same experience with a W. Britains Fallschirmjager figure. The figure was advertised as 54mm and the box it came in said 54mm. Actual measurement was 60mm top of base to top of head. Very disappointing! I took the matter up with Ken Osen the owner of WB here on the Forum.
Ken advised me that the size of WB figures had changed from the traditional 54 mm to a range of 58 to 60mm. Unfortunatly the advertising by distributors and on the box was not changed; thus collectors were buying 60mm figures marked as 54mm. I see Del Prado figures that are 70mm sold as 54mm by many distributors; so measurement of a figure is the only way to determine actual size in todays world!
Ken advised me that the size of WB figures had changed from the traditional 54 mm to a range of 58 to 60mm. Unfortunatly the advertising by distributors and on the box was not changed; thus collectors were buying 60mm figures marked as 54mm. I see Del Prado figures that are 70mm sold as 54mm by many distributors; so measurement of a figure is the only way to determine actual size in todays world!
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