Can Afgan cave be used for Iwo Jima cave setting? (1 Viewer)

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Hi my esteemed fellow forum members, what is your opinion of using the Afgan cave as an Iwo Jima cave? What colors must be done to the Afgan cave?

Thks,Chris
 
Chris,

I googled Iwo jima Caves. It appears there are caves there so I would say yes! Here is one of the pics...
 

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I'm waiting for a rock/cave expert to come on and claim that the rocks in the Pacific are different in shape, color, texture, taste, design, size, pigment, smell, touch, feel and overall degree of rockiness than their counterparts in the middle east.

Bottom line is it's your collection and if you think they are close enough, then go for it; that said, you'll buy it and put it in your display and your long lost cousin will come for a visit and you'll discover he is a rock expert and he'll tell you that cave does not look right for Iwo Jima and he ought to know, he's got a degree in rockology.

Either that or he's got rocks in his head.
 
Warrior said:
I'm waiting for a rock/cave expert to come on and claim that the rocks in the Pacific are different in shape, color, texture, taste, design, size, pigment, smell, touch, feel and overall degree of rockiness than their counterparts in the middle east.

Bottom line is it's your collection and if you think they are close enough, then go for it; that said, you'll buy it and put it in your display and your long lost cousin will come for a visit and you'll discover he is a rock expert and he'll tell you that cave does not look right for Iwo Jima and he ought to know, he's got a degree in rockology.

Either that or he's got rocks in his head.
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Ummm, before you get nasty, such expertise does exist, even going back to WW2. But I agree that it's overkill for us.

Rock soil & vegetation samples from around the world were converted into Munsell color format by USDA scientist Dorthy Nickerson in 1943 by the request of the US Corps of Engineers for their camouflage program. Would you rather I burn the report?
 
one of my mates failed the entrance exam for BA ''rockology'' too difficult so, he became a BSc Geologist instead!!!
Mitch


Warrior said:
I'm waiting for a rock/cave expert to come on and claim that the rocks in the Pacific are different in shape, color, texture, taste, design, size, pigment, smell, touch, feel and overall degree of rockiness than their counterparts in the middle east.

Bottom line is it's your collection and if you think they are close enough, then go for it; that said, you'll buy it and put it in your display and your long lost cousin will come for a visit and you'll discover he is a rock expert and he'll tell you that cave does not look right for Iwo Jima and he ought to know, he's got a degree in rockology.

Either that or he's got rocks in his head.
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Blowtorch said:
Ummm, before you get nasty, such expertise does exist, even going back to WW2. But I agree that it's overkill for us.

Rock soil & vegetation samples from around the world were converted into Munsell color format by USDA scientist Dorthy Nickerson in 1943 by the request of the US Corps of Engineers for their camouflage program. Would you rather I burn the report?
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Nasty? You interpreted my post wrong there Mr Torch; nothing gets my juices going like good rock talk.

Please send along the full report, it will make great reading for me.

My point was in the end, who cares; as long as the collector is happy with the display, isn't that all that matters?

Maybe we can come up with a new term as we've already got rivet counter and stitch Nazi, how about rocktologist or the king of rock.

"I'm the king of rock, there is none higher, sucker MC's, call me sire"
 
Blowtorch said:
Ummm, before you get nasty, such expertise does exist, even going back to WW2. But I agree that it's overkill for us.

Rock soil & vegetation samples from around the world were converted into Munsell color format by USDA scientist Dorthy Nickerson in 1943 by the request of the US Corps of Engineers for their camouflage program. Would you rather I burn the report?
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George,

Did you know that Dorthy "Color Gal Nick" Nickerson was born & raised in Boston. She is a home town gal. This should keep you busy...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Nickerson

Check Six,
Marc
 
Hi Folks,

I do study Rock, as in The History of Rock and have quite a comprehensive LP and CD collection. However, I do not know so much the geographic rocks in question, nor their scientific nature.


I appreciate all of your responses no doubt. It is what makes this forum interesting of sorts.

Before the responses get more "nasty" or laden with dry humor or sarcasm in a perverted sense to make good fun of my seeming ignorant question at my expense, I would like to say that I am primarily asking about the color of the rock. Basically, king n c has SP011 Afgan Cave and i think there is a SP007 was a Iwo Jima cave. Having not seen SP007, was keen to find out more...

I google around and below are the photos I found. First is SP011 and the other is SP007.

So, I ask one more question, is there a temporary color paint that I can apply on the Polystone that can be easily washed off? This I think will help greatly. Again, sincere answer please, it is Easter week and so, be good whether you have taken a Passover meal or fasted or not. Thanks as always.

Thks,Chris
 

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And actually history video footage of Iwo Jima seemed more like what MarkeytMaker posted.....
 
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Before the responses get more "nasty" or laden with dry humor or sarcasm in a perverted sense to make good fun of my seeming ignorant question at my expense....................

So, I ask one more question, is there a temporary color paint that I can apply on the Polystone that can be easily washed off?
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Nothing that I said was intended to make fun of your question, there was nothing ignorant about your question either.

As far as I know, there is no such paint that can be applied and then washed off easily, paint is either water based or enamel based and either way, washing it off will be monumentally difficult.

Mitch could probably assist you with paint as he does a lot on that regard, maybe he knows of a paint that is easily washed off as again, I do not.

The original Iwo Jima base that K & C did was designed as the beach area of Iwo Jima, more of a volcanic ash colored grey than sand colored.

Markey's picture is more accurate for inland Iwo Jima, so again, I don't see why the K & V Afghan cave could not work for you just as it is.

Ok, I'm done here, I've said enough already on this AND AGAIN, nothing I said was directed towards you.
 
Sprinkle some loose sand over the top and sides of it and it should blend pretty well ^&cool
 
Thanks for the last two posts. This was what I needed. Thanks Panzerace1944 and Warrior.

"The original Iwo Jima base that K & C did was designed as the beach area of Iwo Jima, more of a volcanic ash colored grey than sand colored.


Markey's picture is more accurate for inland Iwo Jima, so again, I don't see why the K & V Afghan cave could not work for you just as it is."

This clears a huge part of my confusion between what I see that looks like Asphalt color in black n white films and then, a much lighter shade on other footage. I will use the Afghan cave as it is.

Thanks very much to all for the education trip.
 
Iwo Jima is a volcanic island. The caves in Mount Suribachi are in volcanic rock. The eastern mountain area of Afghanistan (Bora Bora) has a very complex geology which includes areas of volcanic rock with caves.

Terry
 
Phantom Warrior said:
Iwo Jima is a volcanic island. The caves in Mount Suribachi are in volcanic rock. The eastern mountain area of Afghanistan (Bora Bora) has a very complex geology which includes areas of volcanic rock with caves.

Terry
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Terry, nice to meet up on the forum. You will recall the Berlin Tenements from half a year ago.... Thks,Chris
 
The only paints I have used that are removable with water are Gouache and that was a white for doing winter washes on AFV's I believe there are a similar range of paints available that are water based and wash off. I would think as has been stated that you could use the Afghan rock as is there are a number of pictures in colour from IJ that show rock and mud in a darker colour after rain etc so, George is right just use it and it will be fine.
Mitch
 
The other thing to take into consideration is that Japanese island caves appear to man made while it looks like the Afghans use and improve existing caves. The K & C offering could do double duty.
 
ChrisTay said:
I would like to say that I am primarily asking about the color of the rock. Basically, king n c has SP011 Afgan Cave and i think there is a SP007 was a Iwo Jima cave. Having not seen SP007, was keen to find out more...

I google around and below are the photos I found. First is SP011 and the other is SP007.

So, I ask one more question, is there a temporary color paint that I can apply on the Polystone that can be easily washed off? This I think will help greatly. Again, sincere answer please, it is Easter week and so, be good whether you have taken a Passover meal or fasted or not. Thanks as always.

Thks,Chris
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Chris, lot's of thoughts here, just going to rattle them off:

A) SP7 vs. SP11: They may be the same color to begin with. Unless they are both next to each other under the same lighting, one can't tell. I don't think either was matched to an Iwo or Afgan color, but rather just painted in an approximate base color, then drybrushed with a lighter grey.

B) These date back to the Foamtech (iirc) era so they are likely not Polystone, hence not able to stand up to a good washing/scrubbing to remove paint. They are likely expanded foam like the original Normandy Village. They are going to have random hollow spaces on the interior and be somewhat fragile to handling to begin with.

C) Easily washable paints probably exist, but they have a limited range in color so you are going to have to do a lot of mixing experiments to get the color right once you decide what color you want.

D) If you want to repaint one of these don't go into the the project thinking you are going to wash it off later. Research the color & commit.

E) There is definitely color data on Pacific Rim volcanic geology out there, as taking these measurements is one of the things geologists do. The data would be expressed in Munsell format, which is one of the keywords you would search. Find the data, I can help you determine the color from it. As for finding the data, you could try writing geology professors, Google "Munsell & Pacific Rim volcanic", follow the trail.

However, there must be a few documentaries out there where veterans returned to Iwo & you could just approximate it from that. Also keep an eye out for Iwo dios done by Japanese modelers as they might have a head start on all this
 
Just so you know, what you are after is something that looks like this format: 5R6/1

NumberLetterNumber/Number

Find that for Mt. Suribachi & it's class dismissed & off to Pizza Hut
 
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