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bromhead

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A feature in the financial media today on the sudden closing of factories in china producing goods for the U S market including many "Toy makers", I wont go into my feelings about the workers in the peoples republic becoming unemployed but I would like to see if possible an American startup using re training funds the freetrade loving politicions are now spouting,,like over the past fifteen years.. It would be tough having to pay a little more then fifty cents a day labor but maybe a Lancaster bomber could be produced for only 1200-1500 dollars rather than 2K plus. There might be quite a few talented Americans available looking for work these days.
 
might be a chance since one of our illustrious canidates is in favor of fair trade not free trade and not sending work overseas - I think that means import tariffs. He also promised to put the laid off rust belt workers back to work with new industry - look for GM and Fiord workers making dimestore toy soldiers and charging $150 each.......................
 
With the price of fuel high ( yes it's been going down but I'm sure the powers that be have an agenda)and transportation sky high it would be in the best interest of our great patroitic American and European companies to bring jobs back to our countries and try to make a nice profit,have our citizens make a nice living,quit pseudo-slavery on third world people.You DON'T need to make a 1000% profit every quarter on the backs of hard working people who have to struggle every day to survive.
Mark
 
Im sure those displaced chicom workers can go to the AK factories making 7.62 or RPGs bound for the afghan war
 
A feature in the financial media today on the sudden closing of factories in china producing goods for the U S market including many "Toy makers", I wont go into my feelings about the workers in the peoples republic becoming unemployed but I would like to see if possible an American startup using re training funds the freetrade loving politicions are now spouting,,like over the past fifteen years.. It would be tough having to pay a little more then fifty cents a day labor but maybe a Lancaster bomber could be produced for only 1200-1500 dollars rather than 2K plus. There might be quite a few talented Americans available looking for work these days.

The Warbirds, as most of the wooden airplanes made by all companies, are not made in China but in the Philippines.
 
The Warbirds, as most of the wooden airplanes made by all companies, are not made in China but in the Philippines.

Dont think I made mention of where warbirds are produced,only hinted I wouldnt mind seeing a piper cub or so made in ohio
 
Dont think I made mention of where warbirds are produced,only hinted I wouldnt mind seeing a piper cub or so made in ohio

Well, since you titled the thread "China factories", the inference that you were referring to China was a logical conclusion nor did you mention anything about Ohio in your thread. Be that as it may, and forgetting the Lancaster for a second but just looking at the various wooden airplanes that are made in the Philippines, for the quality of the work that goes into making these models and the cost at which they are made, I don't think this country can make a competitive product.
 
Well, since you titled the thread "China factories", the inference that you were referring to China was a logical conclusion nor did you mention anything about Ohio in your thread. Be that as it may, and forgetting the Lancaster for a second but just looking at the various wooden airplanes that are made in the Philippines, for the quality of the work that goes into making these models and the cost at which they are made, I don't think this country can make a competitive product.

The USA cant make a competitive product? Im sure you mean strictly from a cost basis, as certainly our workers have the skill set and work ethic.

The worm may be turning. Our economy is going through some fundamental changes that will take months and years to fully work themselves out. Along the way many workers will be displaced, and have to find not only new jobs, but new careers. (i.e., Will GM and Ford still be in business 5 years from now? Perhaps not, and certainly not in their present form)

Meanwhile the cost of producing overseas is increasing. Developing market workers are demanding more higher compensation, as well as more "western style" benefits, improved workplace conditions, etc. Wont happen overnight, but more and more overseas production could start coming back to the USA - perhaps even the production of toy soldiers!

Note: A new K&C single figure retails at $32 (and up). That is over 50% higher than just a few years ago ($20). If the trend continues, the USA could find itself back in the fight for all kinds of global manufacturing and production facilities. And BTW, this is not a rant against K&C pricing. But all things being (fairly) equal, Id rather buy a K&C figure made in the USA than overseas.
 
But K&C are not American, if anything they would be made in Great Britain. So it would still be overseas.
 
I meant strictly from a cost point of view, not quality.
 
But K&C are not American, if anything they would be made in Great Britain. So it would still be overseas.

K&C is Hong Kong based while its founders are Scottish. So its a bit difficult to say "what" they are. :D But K&C is certainly not an american company.

Perhaps it is Great Britain that will "step into the void". I would still consider that a shift toward "western-based" or developed market manufacturing, versus eastern or "developing markets".

One advantage for the USA is its the home of K&C's largest contiguous customer base. Same reason BMW and Mercedes built factories here. But regardless, shifts in the "manufacturing paradigm" are forthcoming.
 
I've never been convinced that much of the cost savings from operating in China is ever passed on to consumers. My guess is that a lot of that goes in the pocket of the owners. The manufacturing jobs may very well leave China soon for lots of reasons, but they are not coming back to the US or Britain. They will go to other cheap labor markets.
 
One thing to rembember is that K & C doesn't own any factories (unlike Figarti) and just contracts out the work to various factories.
 
If other emerging markets step in, then they may well supplant China as a production base. But we are getting a little thin on places that can handle complicated manufacturing processes at lower cost and have reliable infrastructure, etc.

The outsource/contracting makes K&C that much more flexible in where they manufacture. Im not familiar with their contracts, obviously. But I assume each "run" is done discretely, so that K&C has flexibility to go wherever they can get the best deal.
 
Meanwhile the cost of producing overseas is increasing. Developing market workers are demanding more higher compensation, as well as more "western style" benefits, improved workplace conditions, etc. Wont happen overnight, but more and more overseas production could start coming back to the USA - perhaps even the production of toy soldiers!



I agree with most of what you say except for one thing. Did America ever really make toy soldiers. I accept that the US made great cars motorbikes and everything else but toy soldiers in the old days were really British, French and German. The dimestores are ok but cannot compare to WB, Mignot, Heyde or Elastoin.
 
I was exploring some ideas with another business owner on the west coast today. Really interesting stuff we discussed.

Just need the start up $$$'s, some people with production expertise and other moving parts.

While the financial world seems to be melting, there are some other opportunities and options starting to present themselves.

Wish I had access to funds to get to work in January with our ideas.
 
...I agree with most of what you say except for one thing. Did America ever really make toy soldiers. I accept that the US made great cars motorbikes and everything else but toy soldiers in the old days were really British, French and German. The dimestores are ok but cannot compare to WB, Mignot, Heyde or Elastoin...

Well, de gustibus non disputandem, of course ;)

However, there were American makers who aspired to the standard of Britain's and Mignot. The Warren Lines was one such manufacturer, but his misfortune was to produce a high-quality product at the height of the Second Depression (during Roosevelt's second term), his figures were well-done, well-received and drew comparisons with Britains, but they were expensive (for the times).

Another maker was Jones, who produced some nice figures, too, but who was too inconsistent a businessman to stay afloat.

Comet was another manufacturer who aspired to replace Britains, at least here at home. Now, no one would say that they were anything but toys, but they could also be compared to their contemporaries by Britains or Mignot, especially when considered in sets, as opposed to in the individual figure. (Actually, that same observation could be made of Heyde. Individually, the detail is scheusslich, but you have to step back and look at the whole set.) Of course, Comet's quality improved after the war, when Erickson began sculpting for them, and the company re-branded as Authenticast.

And it was the drive to produce a well-detailed figure that inspired Jack Scheid, Bill Imrie, Clyde Risley and others, to begin sculpting, and produce what we would recognize as military miniatures, as opposed to toys. They were followed by makers, some of whom we all have met and known in our own time (eg, Alan Silk, Ed Lober, Ron Wall, etc, etc), where the lines have shifted, and now we think of "collector's toys", rather than kids' toys.

Prost!
Brad
 
Meanwhile the cost of producing overseas is increasing. Developing market workers are demanding more higher compensation, as well as more "western style" benefits, improved workplace conditions, etc. Wont happen overnight, but more and more overseas production could start coming back to the USA - perhaps even the production of toy soldiers!



I agree with most of what you say except for one thing. Did America ever really make toy soldiers. I accept that the US made great cars motorbikes and everything else but toy soldiers in the old days were really British, French and German. The dimestores are ok but cannot compare to WB, Mignot, Heyde or Elastoin.

Well, American made and pioneered the plastics. The spin on this is that these figures were perfectly American. We took a traditional product, mass produced it brilliantly and then started making playsets.

Style wise, there is a practical and pargmatic slant to our toys of this period as compared to what you outlined above and compared to companies like Marklin, Carette, Bing and other tin producers. Kind of like toy for the mainstreet kid - larger than a European penny toy but not much more expensive.
 
You two (Gideon/The Baron) are VASTLY more knowledgeable about the production of toy soldiers than I. Good lord, I am not even vaguely familiar with most of the names you mention.

Thus I cant comment on our history specifically in regards to toy solider production. However, I know we (the USA) MUST have mass produced high quality items here before, of some kind or another.

Surely using that knowledge/ability, combined with modern technology, a well educated and motivated (and available) work force, an industrious culture, a creative and innovative business community and, of course, "good ole american ingenunity", we (the USA) could figure out a way to solve this problem!
 
You two (Gideon/The Baron) are VASTLY more knowledgeable about the production of toy soldiers than I. Good lord, I am not even vaguely familiar with most of the names you mention.

Thus I cant comment on our history specifically in regards to toy solider production. However, I know we (the USA) MUST have mass produced high quality items here before, of some kind or another.

Surely using that knowledge/ability, combined with modern technology, a well educated and motivated (and available) work force, an industrious culture, a creative and innovative business community and, of course, "good ole american ingenunity", we (the USA) could figure out a way to solve this problem!

Just because companies in the USA have not produced things similar to K&C doesn't mean it can't be done. The cost of production can be an issue but, for someone with the right vision and funding, I am sure advances and processes could be made to accomodate the cost of production.

Also, who is to say that the skill is not in places like Mexico, other South American countries, former Eastern Block countries, etc. Heck, even parts of the Middle East could get the job done.
 

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