Civil War Disunion Series - Lincoln's Storytelling Habits (1 Viewer)

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I am taking this out of the regular Disunion Thread because this is a great article about Lincon's use of stories and how it served his purposes as President.

Perhaps one of the better known ones is when a delegation came to see him and in response to a discussion about the pressure from abolititionists for the President to take action against slavery -- and at this point in 1862 the pressure was growing (Lincoln had just proposed compensated emancipation) -- he told the following (in Lincoln dialect so as to capture his diction):

Wa-al that reminds me of a party of Methodist parsons that was travelling in Illinois when I was a boy, and had a branch to cross that was pretty bad — ugly to cross, ye know, because the waters was up. And they got considerin’ and discussin’ how they should git across it, and they talked about it for two hours, and one on ’em thought they had ought to cross one way when they got there, and another another way, and they got quarrellin’ about it, till at last an old brother put in, and he says, says he, ‘Brethren, this here talk ain’t no use. I never cross a river until I come to it.’​


This was a brilliant example of answering a question by a different method and getting his listeners to laugh.

As the author of the piece notes, "the president’s storytelling and joke-making served multiple purposes. No doubt the verbal skills, honed while riding circuit as a Western lawyer, helped make him popular with judges and juries alike. His ability to tell a funny story and laugh heartily must have raised his spirits and help offset the other extreme of his temperament, a melancholy that often left him saddened and depressed. If his physical appearance was gawky, even off-putting, his joke-telling drew people to him and made him likable. Lincoln shrewdly used stories and parables in more complex ways as well. They would disarm opponents, or offer an easily digestible truism that seemed to support whatever position he might be taking."

However, not everyone loved his story telling but Lincoln used it as a safety valve, not just because he liked it, but because it gave him relief from the terrible burden he was under; pictures of him in 1860 and just three years later show the toll.

David Davis, an Illinois judge and the floor manager for Lincoln’s successful nomination at the Republican convention in 1860 and later a US Supreme Court justice, wrote to the president’s close friend Leonard Swett, “It is a good thing he is fond of anecdotes and telling them for it relieves his spirits very much.” One of Lincoln’s secretaries William O. Stoddard reported, “Mr. Lincoln says that he must laugh sometimes, or he would surely die.”

It just goes to show that humor can serve many purposes.
 
Brad I had not heard THAT Lincoln story until I started reading Team of Rivals.
 
Scott,

The one in the Disunion article I had come across when reading Lincoln's Sword, which is a very good book about Lincoln's creative process.

I think Masur chose it because it's a very good example of how Lincoln used stories to make a point.

Brad
 
Reading Team Of Rivals, I found that some folks were annoyed by his story telling. These people were usually unpleasant and ended up only being known because of any association with Lincoln. I'm going to look for Lincoln's Sword.
 
Reading Team Of Rivals, I found that some folks were annoyed by his story telling. These people were usually unpleasant and ended up only being known because of any association with Lincoln. I'm going to look for Lincoln's Sword.

When Lincoln bade farewell to neighbours in Springfield- whom he would never lay eyes on again- in Feb 1861 he began his 12 day "victory lap" over the tracks of twenty odd railroads on his way to Washington. The journey was not very ennobling. In town after town Lincoln's offhand remarks peppered with agrarian jokes seemed to the populace to trivialise the crisis that was facing the country and almost legitimise the newspapers caricatures of the new president as an ectomorphic baboon. His leisurly progress ended in Harrisburg when Winfield Scott and the Pinkerton agency reported that an assassination plot was afoot and smuggled him into the Capital. Lincoln was still making jokes about "hogs sneaking into the farmer's backyard" so it's no wonder that a number of important politicos felt- with this introduction- that the man the Union depended on was not the man to thaw a "Secessionist winter".

We of course know different now but I can understand at that most critical time those peoples annoyance and doubt that they had elected the wrong man for the presidency

Bob
 
Lincoln was not a man to make impromptu remarks and disliked doing so, which is why between the time of his nomination in 1860 until his departure he said very little, if anything. Moreover, he consistently said that if you want to know my position, it's out there to read. Anything he could say would be misinterpreted and taken advantage of by those wishing to make trouble.

His trip east was anything but leisurely and was an important way for people to see their President to be. Few, if any, presidents had done that previously and the trip served an important purpose, rather than what UK Reb may say. Wherever he went he drew throngs of people. He was also not the rube that some then that some made him out to be as he knew what he was doing and liked to throw people off the scent. He regretted having to sneak into Washington in the middle of night but it was the right move as there was a plot afoot by the secessionists.
 
Lincoln was not a man to make impromptu remarks and disliked doing so, which is why between the time of his nomination in 1860 until his departure he said very little, if anything. Moreover, he consistently said that if you want to know my position, it's out there to read. Anything he could say would be misinterpreted and taken advantage of by those wishing to make trouble.

His trip east was anything but leisurely and was an important way for people to see their President to be. Few, if any, presidents had done that previously and the trip served an important purpose, rather than what UK Reb may say. Wherever he went he drew throngs of people. He was also not the rube that some then that some made him out to be as he knew what he was doing and liked to throw people off the scent. He regretted having to sneak into Washington in the middle of night but it was the right move as there was a plot afoot by the secessionists.

Just for the record Brad I too consider Lincoln to be a colossus and find it difficult to put any other president in the same category as Abe. However, exactly like Robert E Lee the literature on both is now practically hagiographic and their towering reputations are such that they are now virtually unassailable. I do believe your last post has perfectly highlighted that :)
 
That's hardly the case as his faults were many as he was a product of his time, espousing the racial views of his Illinois, for example. He was unpolished in his ways when he came east and even his many admirers such as George Templeton Strong, the NY attorney and financier, to whom he told the story that is the basis of the NYT article could never give up the image they had of him in 1861. Maybe a rube but how many rubes do we know that read Shakespeare, Pope, Burns and Byron. Not many would have an interest in philology such that he even surprised one of his Ivy Leaguer secretaries with his knowledge.

The beauty of the man is how he changed and how his critics came to see him at the end of his life.

To ignore a person's faults is to do a disservice to the man but to over emphasize is to likewise do a disservice.
 

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