Compare CS armour to K&C armour (1 Viewer)

[Phantom Warrior]

At 1/28th scale, how does the CS armour compare to K&C armour at 1/30th scale. How does the detail and quality compare? Do they look OK together side by side? i.e the AB-41 next to a K&C SdfKz 222 or Panzer III?

 

[IXEC]

At 1/28th scale, how does the CS armour compare to K&C armour at 1/30th scale. How does the detail and quality compare? Do they look OK together side by side? i.e the AB-41 next to a K&C SdfKz 222 or Panzer III?

Is this a joke?

Puppet Man

 

[Beaufighter]

Is this a joke?

Puppet Man

I could be way off here but this probably is not a joke as the Phantom Warrior is a new member that just joined this month as in May-so let us help the brother out. If you want I can take a picture of the Winter CS Tiger tank compared to that of the K&C Tiger? Let me know if this will help you out as I will be at home base later. As far as I am concerned the newer CS items display just fine with K&C so have at it. Hope this helps a bit.

Cheers,
Beaufighter

 

[maddadicus]

It is hard to imagine the size of a vehicle, based on the listed scale. Some 1/30 listed vehicles end up matching up to 1/32 FOV. If members have them, the best comparisons are side by side pics and even then, some of us will disagree which mfg. is the right side. I have a CS Tiger ,but no K/C one, but it looks close to earlier K/C releases for size. I have the last K/C Stuart which turned out to be 1/32 and that is the exact size of the latest FOV one..Go figure...Michael

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Not a joke. I have been collecting only K&C WWII for several years plus a few Figarti tanks and I am fussy about scale. I have never seen a CS piece and do not know the quality but I am concerned as I have seen them advertised as 28th scale.

I would love to get the new Italian AB-41 to go with my K&C AK pieces. I am also interested in a few older CS pieces still available ( Panzer I DAK; Sturmgeschutze; Marder III; SdfKz 222; Flack 30; Pak 7.5) and wonder if some of these are different scales?

Any help would be appreciated.

 

[Wraith]

The scale has crept down over the years. The first CS releases (Modern 3rd ID Iraq, US Airborne and Kursk SS [I think]) figures, were very definately in a scale of their own, which Brian acknowledged.

The Arnhem series - first release, i.e. Marder III, Brit Airborne etc, are more compatable with K&C in terms of scale, although they are still a little larger - depends how particluar you are I guess. I've got my CS displayed seperately from K&C, but they make a nice vignette all on their own.

I've not got the more recent Tiger, Stug, AB41/3, but from memory at the shows where I've seen these, I got the imression that the scale was pretty much akin to K&Cs general scale.

Simon

 

[jazzeum]

Sorry for the rude welcome but welcome anyway. I can't answer the scale question, however

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Thanks Simon and Beaufighter. My strategy has been to infill K&C gaps (pieces they have not made, or older K&C pieces that are not at their current quality and are very expensive) I do not plan to duplicate a K&C piece with one from another company so my concern is how a CS Marder III would look with a K&C Tiger for example.

I have a lot of K&C but only 3 Figarti. The Figarti AK Panzer IV with the red bicycle matches well with the K&C AK Panzer IV. The Figarti Montgomery Grant looks good with the K&C pieces (I do not have the K&C Grant). The Figarti Honey tank at 1/32 is obviously a little small compared to the K&C Stuart, but I liked the tank and it was on sale so I couldn't resist.

The older CS pieces I am interested in ( Panzer I DAK; Sturmgeschutze; Marder III; SdfKz 222; Flack 30; Pak 7.5) would have to fit in with various but not duplicate K&C pieces. Any thoughts?

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Thanks jazzeum. I have been collecting in a vacuum for several years and it feels good to have other collectors to talk to.

 

[Rob]

Well you are certainly in good company here PW.The forum is full of helpful,knowledgeable people who are more than happy to help.

Rob

 

[lancer]

Greetings Phantom Warrior. I have some KC & CS and IMO you can mix vehicles o.k. but the combat figures of CS (while very nice) are a tick to large to mix with KC (at least the CS Arnhem Germans are). I think the KC figures go well with CS vehicles. Some of the earlier KC vehicles are underscale for the figures. For example, the early KC Tiger I's are small compared to the CS Tigers (and, for that matter, KC's AK Tiger). The scale issue is a minefield and one almost has to compare pieces from different makers on a one to one basis. -- lancer

 

[Wraith]

Thanks Simon and Beaufighter. My strategy has been to infill K&C gaps (pieces they have not made, or older K&C pieces that are not at their current quality and are very expensive) I do not plan to duplicate a K&C piece with one from another company so my concern is how a CS Marder III would look with a K&C Tiger for example.

I have a lot of K&C but only 3 Figarti. The Figarti AK Panzer IV with the red bicycle matches well with the K&C AK Panzer IV. The Figarti Montgomery Grant looks good with the K&C pieces (I do not have the K&C Grant). The Figarti Honey tank at 1/32 is obviously a little small compared to the K&C Stuart, but I liked the tank and it was on sale so I couldn't resist.

The older CS pieces I am interested in ( Panzer I DAK; Sturmgeschutze; Marder III; SdfKz 222; Flack 30; Pak 7.5) would have to fit in with various but not duplicate K&C pieces. Any thoughts?

I've got to get a few bits sorted, but I'll try and get some photos up later on to give you an idea. I've only got the Marder III in the CS vehicle front, but will get some side by side shots with a few K&C pieces, so you can make your own mind up.

And I agree with you on the Figarti front. Those Honeys are sweet (pun intended) and very good value.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Greetings Phantom Warrior. I have some KC & CS and IMO you can mix vehicles o.k. but the combat figures of CS (while very nice) are a tick to large to mix with KC (at least the CS Arnhem Germans are). I think the KC figures go well with CS vehicles. Some of the earlier KC vehicles are underscale for the figures. For example, the early KC Tiger I's are small compared to the CS Tigers (and, for that matter, KC's AK Tiger). The scale issue is a minefield and one almost has to compare pieces from different makers on a one to one basis. -- lancer

Yes the Winter Tiger is a bit smaller than the Tunisian Tiger, (possibly due to shrinkage from the cold?). Fortunately, they will not have to appear in the same diorama. I also have Whittman's last tiger and it is the same size as the winter Tiger. Looks like the best I can do is make sure the pieces are not too far out of scale with each other. This will probably be more difficult for the soldier figures.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

I've got to get a few bits sorted, but I'll try and get some photos up later on to give you an idea. I've only got the Marder III in the CS vehicle front, but will get some side by side shots with a few K&C pieces, so you can make your own mind up.

And I agree with you on the Figarti front. Those Honeys are sweet (pun intended) and very good value.

That would be very helpful.

Thanks

 

[The Collectors Showcase]

Yes the Winter Tiger is a bit smaller than the Tunisian Tiger, (possibly due to shrinkage from the cold?). Fortunately, they will not have to appear in the same diorama. I also have Whittman's last tiger and it is the same size as the winter Tiger. Looks like the best I can do is make sure the pieces are not too far out of scale with each other. This will probably be more difficult for the soldier figures.

I think I might be able to help here. But first I hate to tell folks , the Marder and 222 are now sold out. You might be able to find one or two left at a dealer, maybe. But there are only 300 worldwide.


Anyhow in regards to scale. Since everything we do here at the Showcase is CAD/3D oriented we get to ensure scale is correct BEFORE creating our models. So: the Tiger Winter/Wittmann is a 1/30th scale to the millimeter. And if you were to do some measuring you would discover this no problem.


Let me put the scale issue to rest in regards to the figures. When we started doing metal four years ago we thought to come out with a unique larger scale: 1/27th but we advertised them as 1/30th: BIG mistake. We got slammed on both the scale and paint quality. With my tail between my legs I went back to the drawing board. I measured K&C figures up and down. And we came out with Operation Marketgarden. But **** we didn't realize and didn't have enough KC figures to figure out that Andy's scale bounced around too! So we must have had some of his larger figures. So when the Brit's came out with Marketgarden tanks everyone screamed bloody murder; " they're still too big !"


So last year when we came out with Nijmegan Bridge and the Sturm ( remember armor has never been a problem it always worked in 1/30th because thats what scale it is measured to ) our figures got smaller for the third time. Finally purchasers of the 299,300 and 82nd sets were quite happy with the scale and paint. We have however noticed alot of variation in the KC scale and its just to hard to keep up with. So if you were to look at the Autoblindo crews or the new 82nd ariborne,299,300 sets: you'd see the exact scale we'll be staying at from now on.


So I'd say our newer Nijmegan infantry sets and all of our armor are KC compatible and meant to be that way. Listen you've got to hand it to Andy, he's worked hard and created a helluva brand. Its just that we would like to evolve that scale into something more akin to military miniatures than toy soldiers.


very best regards,

Brian

 

[IXEC]

Yes I was very rude and please accept my humblest opology PH, and all my fellow members.

For a moment I though your question was intended to start a flame war.

We just got through a flame war over a posting about FL compared to K&C, that all started with FL's announcement they were going into WWII.

CS, Brian, just announced his vastly improved WWII due out this July, I mistakenly though I saw the simularity to what started the flame war in your question.

Please accept my welcome to the forum

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Yes I was very rude and please accept my humblest opology PH, and all my fellow members.

For a moment I though your question was intended to start a flame war.

We just got through a flame war over a posting about FL compared to K&C, that all started with FL's announcement they were going into WWII.

CS, Brian, just announced his vastly improved WWII due out this July, I mistakenly though I saw the simularity to what started the flame war in your question.

Please accept my welcome to the forum

Not a problem!! I received some very good answers to the question and am buying a few CS armour pieces including the new Italian AK armoured car. Thanks to everyone for their help including Brian at CS.

 

[Harrytheheid]

I've got to get a few bits sorted, but I'll try and get some photos up later on to give you an idea. I've only got the Marder III in the CS vehicle front, but will get some side by side shots with a few K&C pieces, so you can make your own mind up.

And I agree with you on the Figarti front. Those Honeys are sweet (pun intended) and very good value.

Those Honeys are sweet (pun intended) and very good value

Not trying to hijack a CS thread, just have to say that I concur with both of Simon's points here. I have the Free French Honey - and it was incredible value for money. Having only seen the pictures of the CS armour I can't really comment - but they certainly look pretty good.

Cheers
H

 

[Wraith]

OK, had a little time to take some quick snapshots. Figures first, as said, I've only got some of the first Arnhem release, and the second wave look to be very slightly smaller.

I've tried to get similar (ish) stances etc. but hopefully sufficient for you to get an idea.

My view, a little larger, but not massively so. There's also the different painting style, which you get when mixing any manufacturers.

Simon

 

[Wraith]

And armour. As said, I've only got the Marder from CS. You mentioned the AK and Winter Tiger, so I assumed you've either got these or are familiar with their scale, so I've used these for comparison. I appreciate it's not the same as putting a like model next to another, but, there is a shortage of Marder IIIs!