Compare CS armour to K&C armour (1 Viewer)

[Wraith]

And a few more:

You'll no doubt draw your own conclusions on compatability, but for me the size looks good next to the Tunisian Tiger, and a little large next to the Winter Tiger. That said, the Winter Tiger is a little underscale rather than the Marder being overscale.

The Marder is a nice piece. All metal I think, and bl**dy heavy for a toy tank, a lot of detail on it, and nicely painted. Only thing on the downside for me is the decals wich have got a bit of the carrier film stuff still showing on them, other than that, a great gun at a reasonable price (by todays standards.

Hope the pics are clear enough to be useful.

Simon

 

[The Collectors Showcase]

OK, had a little time to take some quick snapshots. Figures first, as said, I've only got some of the first Arnhem release, and the second wave look to be very slightly smaller.

I've tried to get similar (ish) stances etc. but hopefully sufficient for you to get an idea.

My view, a little larger, but not massively so. There's also the different painting style, which you get when mixing any manufacturers.

Simon

Great shots for scale: we realized that even a few of the first Marketgarden figures were a bit too large after they came out!( pictured ) Very frustrating really.

So we went ahead and came down on Nijmegan once again: 82nd airborne and SS troops, and we finally feel set compatibility is complete.

neat stuff!

regards,

Brian

 

[Wraith]

Great shots for scale: we realized that even a few of the first Marketgarden figures were a bit too large after they came out!( pictured ) Very frustrating really.

So we went ahead and came down on Nijmegan once again: 82nd airborne and SS troops, and we finally feel set compatibility is complete.

neat stuff!

regards,

Brian

From what I saw with them, I'd agree Brian. And the good thing from a CS point of view, is that due to only having a very slight adjustment in scale, they are still compatible with the first series.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

And a few more:

You'll no doubt draw your own conclusions on compatability, but for me the size looks good next to the Tunisian Tiger, and a little large next to the Winter Tiger. That said, the Winter Tiger is a little underscale rather than the Marder being overscale.

The Marder is a nice piece. All metal I think, and bl**dy heavy for a toy tank, a lot of detail on it, and nicely painted. Only thing on the downside for me is the decals wich have got a bit of the carrier film stuff still showing on them, other than that, a great gun at a reasonable price (by todays standards.

Hope the pics are clear enough to be useful.

Simon

Great shots. I do have the Winter Tiger and the Tunisian Tiger. I agree that the Marder III size looks good next to the Tunisian Tiger, and a little large next to the Winter Tiger. As you said, the earlier Tigers are a little small. I am going to get the Marder and a few other CS armour pieces of the current size they are making and just have to be careful putting them with certain pieces. The Marder would go well with the K&C King Tiger and the new CS Italian armoured car with the Tunisian Tiger.

Thanks for the photos and your help. The pictures made the comparison very clear.

 

[HAWKEYE]

actually if you have seen the real tiger and the real marder in person you would see that the tiger should be bigger and the marder smaller.i am 5'8'' and when i stand next to a tiger tank and raise my arm straight up my hand ends even with the deck of the tank. i am sorry but none of the manufactures have truely got it right. it seems like most decks are head high. next time you guys are near a tiger tank or even a panther tank you will see what i mean.

 

[joesgis]

The scale has crept down over the years. The first CS releases (Modern 3rd ID Iraq, US Airborne and Kursk SS [I think]) figures, were very definately in a scale of their own, which Brian acknowledged.

The Arnhem series - first release, i.e. Marder III, Brit Airborne etc, are more compatable with K&C in terms of scale, although they are still a little larger - depends how particluar you are I guess. I've got my CS displayed seperately from K&C, but they make a nice vignette all on their own.

I've not got the more recent Tiger, Stug, AB41/3, but from memory at the shows where I've seen these, I got the imression that the scale was pretty much akin to K&Cs general scale.

Simon

I would say this is a very accurate synopsis. Hope this helps Phantom! Welcome aboard; I'm relatively new here too. I previously did a lot of "lurking" and learning, but now I have jumped right in. Great hobby and a great bunch of great people!

 

[Phantom Warrior]

actually if you have seen the real tiger and the real marder in person you would see that the tiger should be bigger and the marder smaller.i am 5'8'' and when i stand next to a tiger tank and raise my arm straight up my hand ends even with the deck of the tank. i am sorry but none of the manufactures have truely got it right. it seems like most decks are head high. next time you guys are near a tiger tank or even a panther tank you will see what i mean.

Not sure what you mean? The stats I have seen are that the Tiger is 9 ft. 10 in. tall vs 8 ft. 2 in. for the Marder, a difference of 1 ft. 8 in. Wraith's picture shows the Tunisian Tiger to be taller than the Marder. (The winter Tiger is undersized.) Here is a photo of a Tiger and crew (the deck is about head high as you said) and a photo of a Marder III and crew. The Marder looks pretty tall.

 

[Olly Read]

Not sure what you mean? The stats I have seen are that the Tiger is 9 ft. 10 in. tall vs 8 ft. 2 in. for the Marder, a difference of 1 ft. 8 in. Wraith's picture shows the Tunisian Tiger to be taller than the Marder. (The winter Tiger is undersized.) Here is a photo of a Tiger and crew (the deck is about head high as you said) and a photo of a Marder III and crew. The Marder looks pretty tall.

Hi Phantom
The colour photo at the bottom is a Marder 3 but its based on a different chassis from the other Marder 3 pictured in black and white. The colour photo Marder has a MK2 Panzer chassis whereas the black and white Marder picture has a 38tonner chassis. I think thats right - I dunno' I'm no expert and I get easily confused. If anybody out there wants to correct me please feel free!

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Hi Phantom
The colour photo at the bottom is a Marder 3 but its based on a different chassis from the other Marder 3 pictured in black and white. The colour photo Marder has a MK2 Panzer chassis whereas the black and white Marder picture has a 38tonner chassis. I think thats right - I dunno' I'm no expert and I get easily confused. If anybody out there wants to correct me please feel free!

Good eye to spot the difference, but both are Marder III's based on the Czech 38(t) chasis, which I believe is the only chasis used by the Marder III. One is an Ausf H with the fighting compartment forward and the other is an Ausf M with the fighting compartment to the rear. The CS model being compared to the Tunisian Tiger is an Ausf M and I should have used only that photo.

Both Ausfs were armed with the 75mm PaK 40/3 L/46 anti-tank gun and operated by four-man crews. The Ausf H rear engine had the fighting compartment in a forward location; the fighting compartment of the Ausf M mid engine was at the rear. The fighting compartment of the Ausf H was open at the top and rear vs. Ausf M which was open only at the top. The Ausf H carried 38 rounds of ammunition, while Ausf M had only 27 rounds. the Ausf H had a 7.92mm MG 37(t) mounted in the front hull, and the Ausf M had a 7.92mm MG 42 inside the fighting compartment.

Marder II's were based on a Panzer II chasis. Marder I's were based on 3 captured french chassis (Lorraine tractor, Hotchkiss H39 tank and the FCM36 medium tank )

 

[Olly Read]

See I knew somebody would know the difference!

 

[Phantom Warrior]

See I knew somebody would know the difference!

Still, you are the only one who spotted the difference. I used the Ausf H photo because it showed the height of a man vs the Marder as comparison the the photo of the man standing in front of the Tiger. Trust you to catch me out

 

[Andanna]

Great discussion. I appreciate the depth and knowledge of the participants. Thank you.