Comparison of CS Tiger and K&C Tunisian Tiger (1 Viewer)

6th Wisconsin

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OK. I promised to have a thread comparing the CS Wittmann Tiger and the K&C Tunisian Tiger. What I decided to do is post a series of photographs to show how they compare from different angles. I think you will see that there are some differences in dimensions, but the result is that the two are very compatible. This may help some of you who are on the fence with the new CS Tiger.

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Thanks for the pics 6thW. The CS Tiger has some good detail and the only issue I have with it is the angle of the track shields which seems to steep to me.
 
Thanks for posting these.I have the Tunisian Tiger but i just can't make up my mind about the Zimmerit on the CS version.

Rob
 
The CS Tiger looks better than i thought. But the other members were right, the zimmerit and the angle of the track shields are niggling issues. Apart from that, the details look splendid.

and i applaud CS for their vast improvements in such a short space of time.
especially impressed with their figures, i remembered less than 6 months ago it was zombie like, now, if Brian sells the figures as a standalone, i'll buy them immediately.

am now seriously, looking at future CS armor, starting with the upcoming Stug.
Where's the pictures?
 

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Can anyone give me any info on the Stug,i recently joined the mailout list but havn't heard anything:confused:

Rob
 
Have to say that the CS version does look nice. I might seriously consider replacing my old K & C Wittman Tiger with this one.
 
i have replaced my KC Wittman Tiger with the new CS Wittman Tiger. it is superior in all respects, from color to size and detail. compared side to side, it is a no-brainer. that said, i eagerly await the new KC Kingtiger. -- lancer
 
It's great to be able to see these side by side. Thanks for posting.

They are both attractive models and while there are small variations in size on various components overall scale on both seem good.

The colors used by CS are a tad bright for my liking. I'd like to see this toned down a bit and also more feathering on the brown and green patches.

I'm not sure why CS insisted on putting the shovel on the front of the tank. This was present on early versions and some mid versions (mounted in the opposite direction) but definitely not late versions. Since they've chosen to do a mid/late version this should have been omitted. K&C got theirs right for an early version.

The hull MG34 on the CS version looks longer than the K&C version. To me the K&C version looks like the right length.

These are all minor things only noted to push manufacturers to do their research.

Overall I like both of them.
 
I agree with Frank in regards to the CS Tiger color being a bit bright. I hope Brian gets back to the great paint jobs on the 222 and the Marder. The camo on those vehicles looks much more realistic.

The camo on K & C 250 and Tiger II are much improved. In my opinion Brian was spot on with the camo with no need for improvement.
 
i find the color on the CS Tiger to be pretty accurate when compared to the color ills i have seen in various books. at any rate it is more toned down than the KC Wittman Tiger or the KC Normandy Panther. KC WS 26 (white 131) is very close to CS Tiger but dirtier looking, a nice effect. jmo -- lancer
 
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I agree with Frank in regards to the CS Tiger color being a bit bright. I hope Brian gets back to the great paint jobs on the 222 and the Marder. The camo on those vehicles looks much more realistic.

The camo on K & C 250 and Tiger II are much improved. In my opinion Brian was spot on with the camo with no need for improvement.
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I would respectfully disagree. It is this newer paint scheme that has drawn me ,into buying a C.S. Wittman. I am not a nitty gritty kind of collector, myself..Michael
 
"I would respectfully disagree. It is this newer paint scheme that has drawn me ,into buying a C.S. Wittman. I am not a nitty gritty kind of collector, myself..Michael"

It's on the way Michael, thanks a lot..........
 
lancer said:
i find the color on the CS Tiger to be pretty accurate when compared to the color ills i have seen in various books. at any rate it is more toned down than the KC Wittman Tiger or the KC Normandy Panther. KC WS 26 (white 131) is very close to CS Tiger but dirtier looking, a nice effect. jmo -- lancer
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I definitely agree with your assesment regarding than the older K&C Tiger and Panther.

You have to be careful with color artwork presented in books. Some of it is well researched and backed up with photographic evidence while others appear to be figments of the artist's imagination.

Dunkelgelb (the base color) was originally developed as a universal color for agricultural equipment. Large quantities of it were produced so it made sense for the army to adopt it when grey was found to be less than ideal in places like North Africa and southern Russia. It did not receive a RAL code most likely until March '43. Prior to it receiving a RAL code it was refered to as Dunkelgelb "nach muster" (according to standard)

There was considerable variation in RAL 7028 Dunkelgelb (the base color) and it ranged from grayish tan to tan to yellowish tan. If you look at at RAL color chart today the color has been deleted. The interesting thing is that the 7000 number range in the RAL system represents greys.

http://www.themeter.net/ral_e.htm

NOTE: This is an electronic color chart and it's appearance will vary depending on the equipment it is being viewed on. Only true color chips can be consdiered accurate.

Take a look at RAL 8017 Schokoladenbraun (aka Rotbraun) on the color chart. From the research I've done the RAL 8017 of 1943 compares very well with the RAL 8017 of today. Due to how the paint was applied, by maintenance units until August 1944, the final result could vary from a rust brown through a rich chocolate brown. In my opinion many models are displayed with this color being too reddish, more along the lines of RAL 8012 which incidently was the color of German primer.

The last color involved was RAL 6003 Olivgrun which again appears to vary somewhat based on how it was applied. This color varied from light olive through dark olive.
 
Frank- i know what you mean regarding color ills. i have been involved in some good arguments in the past regarding WW 1 aircraft colors. what a can of worms that subject is! i remember reading somewhere that when German AV's left the factory in RAL 8012 that it was often incorperated into the field applied camo with the yellow and green or in many cases, just the green. at any rate, taking an ills color shades at face value can be risky. i just think the CS Tiger is good from what i have seen. thanks for the info. -- lancer
 
lancer said:
Frank- i know what you mean regarding color ills. i have been involved in some good arguments in the past regarding WW 1 aircraft colors. what a can of worms that subject is! i remember reading somewhere that when German AV's left the factory in RAL 8012 that it was often incorperated into the field applied camo with the yellow and green or in many cases, just the green. at any rate, taking an ills color shades at face value can be risky. i just think the CS Tiger is good from what i have seen. thanks for the info. -- lancer
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I agree with you regarding the CS Tiger. I think it's a great model. I simply like to push manufacturers to do more homework. Wouldn't want them to become lazy. ;)

You are absolutely correct regarding RAL 8012 being substituted for RAL 8017 in some cases. You have to remember the supply situation in Germany later in the war.

In fact between Oct 31 '44 - Nov 31 '44 AFV's base coat was RAL 8012 (primer)with Dunkelgelb and RAL 6003 (Olivgrun) applied over top.

After November 31 '44 RAL 6003 (Olivgrun) became the base color although full conversion to this order apparently never occured.

Sometime early in 1945 the base color was changed back to Dunkelgelb. By the end of the war you even see some left over grey start to creep back in.

Useful websites on the subject:

http://www.matadormodels.co.uk/tank_museum/xcamo_ww2germany.htm

http://www.panzerworld.net/colours

A good book from the Czech Republic on the subject.

http://www.auradesign.eu/CCWH_en.htm
 
Frank - i believe that the new KC Tiger 2 is a vehicle involved with KG Peiper during the Ardennes offensive. were not these K2's finished with RAL 8012 that was used as part ot their field camo? - Al
 
lancer said:
Frank - i believe that the new KC Tiger 2 is a vehicle involved with KG Peiper during the Ardennes offensive. were not these K2's finished with RAL 8012 that was used as part ot their field camo? - Al
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I agree that K&C is modeling Tiger 313 3./s.SS.Pz.Abt.501 attached to KG Peiper as you noted.

Here is a picture of Tiger 332 from the same unit which was shipped to the US. To me the brown looks like RAL 8017. This is a factory paint scheme.

Compare this to a late war Jagdpanther which has a base coat of primer RAL 8012 covered with Dunkelgelb.
 

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