Competition for KC Dollars (1 Viewer)

Combat

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Just curious how much the competition has influenced collector spending on KC products? With Honour Bound, NMA, and Figarti competing for WWII market and other new companies like John Jenkins opening new lines. Are you spending more overall, cutting back on KC purchases, or not influenced at all? In my own case, I am probably spending more overall, but cutting back about 50% on former spending on KC products.
 
Great Thread Combat !

It has been hard on my "Defense Budget" - I really like these John Jenkins figures and keeping up with them has been a recent priority due to the production levels.

But, as all of you know King and Country is a big favorite of mine. With the new Ranges on Crusaders (last year) and WWI & Civil War - ouch - it has been hard to do them with my Napoleonics, Romans and American Revolution Collections.

All that would be one thing except - you miserable Treefroggers got me hooked on WWII now - that has really killed me.

Who knew Toy Soldier Collecting could be so painful. :rolleyes:
 
I agree with Ron--very good thread Combat! I would like to see where everyone else stands on this.

As for me, my K&C spending has increased in spite of the new rev war stuff Britians has come out with. It is very hard to pass on the other manufacturers like Jenkins, but K&C is where all my hobby dollars have been going lately.
 
I must agree,great thread.In my case i am spending more on K&C this year than ever before.With my continuing WW2 collection,starting Napoleonics and my wish to support K&C UK in their excellant new venture, expenditure will continue to rise.I'm not saying i won't buy other companies products this year,but they really have to 'Grab' me.This has happened before with NMA's Sturmtiger and HB Winter Panther.So i am available to persuade but my Key collections come first.

Rob
 
I have certainly spent some money on Honour Bound and Figarti, but if anything I am spending more on K&C because of the excellent quality and priodigious quantity of the new releases. Plus, with the rebirth of the warbirds, I will be spending even more. See you all in debtors prison.
 
It,s always K&C first for me, if there are extra dollars then I buy what I like from the other companies.
Gary
 
I've always been pretty ruthless with my collection - of what I own about 50% is on display and 50% in storage - but every so often I cull either the stored items or the displayed ones. It means that I have a revenue stream of sorts whilst acquiring newer sets. (I also swap quite a few sets so it often means I'm acquiring a 2006 set with a 2003 one).

Having said all that I would probably say that my expenditure on new items has probably fallen this year. I don't think that Figarti et al have influenced it as much as perhaps the range of items on release in the first few months of the year. I can see myself spending heavily outside WWII, and thus NMA and Honour Bound aren't a factor. (I don't collect HB's Beau Geste glossies).

Looking around generally though I'd say that K&C aren't feeling too much ill effect on the WWII front from HB or NMA. What they are probably finding is that the niche/specialist collectors of WWII vehicles are buying slightly less K&C WWII as a consequence of the excellent diversity on offer. However, K&C are probably finding that the 1 and 2 figure sets are helping increase sales, and that a lot of their newer collectors are happy to see various themes revisited and thus sales are increasing in the area Andy needs. What I do think however is the decision to continue to add to the DD or WS ranges probably decreases the possibility of "completists" seeking to backfill on these series, as it moves from '24' box set territory to 'Simpsons' size decades of material. In that regard Andy may still be finding growth from newer collectors in looking at 2 or 3 sets that seem to relate to each other, eg some vehicle riders and some standing infantry to go with a modest armour vignette rather than a series of shelves devoted to D-Day ro Normandy etc. I would say that in the Napoleonics and other non-WWII series, there will be crunch time approaching re the viability of sustaining the diversity on offer.

Just my € 00.015 ($00.02) on it all.
 
The choice is quite easy for me - the new guys in 1/30th haven't been producing much US stuff, so there's no real question! Everybody is busy producing yet another tribute to the SS, leaving my dollars free to buy my GIs from K&C! I just don't have the money to pursue the other eras of interest, so my choices are very simple.

Gary
 
I pretty much just buy KC WW2 figures. About 75% of my defense budget is allocated to KC WW2 or Rev war figs. I spend the rest of the allocation between East of India ancients and Samurai and St. Pete Romans and Teutonics.

I am impressed with HB though and am going to take a longer look at them but they are pretty salty and I am not sure the quality is there in comparison to KC.
 
MY priorities are 1st. anyone in a Kilt. Second anything with tracks/treads. Eye appeal is very important. Be it K.C. or Britains which every hits the shop first on payday. Brand loyalty is a secondary.
 
You know one of the problems with K&C ranges coming out so fast now is Collection management - when and what to buy. I cant buy everything I want at one time so you have to decided the timing of these figures. And when you do that you have to make sure that the older stuff you havent gotten to yet doesnt end up on a retired list.

My King and Country spending probally has increase by 200% since I joined the forum. We start talking about figures and tanks and I get all reved up and - BINGO - the credit card is used to make another $200 - $300 purchase.

Before joining the forum last year - I was spending at a slow pace and not paying as much attention to my collection as I do now. Which is a good thing - I think? ;)

I remember seeing those John Jenkins Figures back in February and saying to Kiri how the British Grends looked great. Then a few weeks later it was the buzz on the forum and "POOF" they started going like hot cakes. So that changed my buying strategy real quick.

The more stuff Andy comes out with - the more you want it ! But, you want to get some older figures too. I mean its real crisis management now with all these products coming on line for me. :rolleyes:

And with all this stuff my closets are starting to get full. Well must get rid of those stupid clothes right? :D

Ron
 
I can certainly appreciate your storage woes, they aren't without merit, especially there in the capital beltway- Real Estate is just expensive.

Perhaps some cost savings idea for storage-

1.) Safe deposit box at your local bank- why not?? Look at how these things appreciate and how much money we spend on them. A SD box isn't a bad idea.

2.) Rent a shed- a lot of places have controlled environment annexes where you can store anything without worrying about damage from the weather. Perhaps you can meet some more guys here on the forum and you can all join in on the cost.

3.) Store with a trusted friend or relative.

Yeah- collection management is an issue, which is why I diversified a bit. St. Pete and East of India don't retire their pieces nearly as fast as KC does (the demand isn't there) so I decided to pick what I felt was the better quality figures from those companies. That way, the defense budget can be flexible and adaptive and respond to the sudden "Aw man, he's retiring all those pieces." and I can jump on them. I had to watch WS52 slip away this month and looking back, it was a good thing. I had gotten away from KC when that thing and the new 88 came out and just missed the boat. C'est la vie. There will be other fun trucks and cannons to snatch up.

You can almost approach it like a floor manager at a retail concern- they only have so much shelf space to work with- that is a given constraint- one that we all are limited by- the big name retailers like Gucci, Nieman Marcus- heck Ron- just go the Crossings there in McLean :))- you know what I am saying- but work with the space you have and then demand that you put the highest quality figures in that space that you can.

Heck Ron, from what I understand, you work pretty closely with the government- perhaps you can get them to tool up the IRC and allow for storage space to be an itemized deduction like a home office or, dare I say, a second home in the DC area :)) I believe Louis, with his 800 sq feet of space could possibly pull that off now.
 
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MY priorities are 1st. anyone in a Kilt. Second anything with tracks/treads. Eye appeal is very important. Be it K.C. or Britains which every hits the shop first on payday. Brand loyalty is a secondary.


Some von said KILT !!!!! Guid on ya Mate!! Translyvanian Scottish accent:p



 
Chris

You said it ! Expensive to live in the Nations Capitol.

I have a storage unit already with my empty K&C boxes in it :D I havent broken down and starting to put King and Country figures out there yet - it is climate controled - but, they would be so far away :(
 
Although tempted...I stick to K&C......they seem to keep my collecting healty and I'm sure for the future as well...


WELLINGTON
 
Hi Guys,

A big congratulations to “Combat” on opening a very, very interesting “thread”.

Here’s my tuppence worth for what it’s worth...Increased competition from our friends at Figarti...Honour Bound...John Jenkins etc., has more than helped keep K&C on our collective toes! It’s also helped to broaden and deepen the market. I’ve said this before...never in the history of toy soldiers/military miniatures has the choice for the collector been so wide and so varied...I love it cos I’m a collector myself! It’s also bringing more people into the hobby.

What I can honestly say is year on year K&C is still enjoying double-digit growth. So, although “Combat” may be cutting back on his K&C “buys” other people are buying more and still others are “discovering” us for the very first time.

At the same time K&C is reaching out into other historical eras where previously we had been under represented or no representation at all. As most of you know we steered well clear of “Napoleonics” for the longest time...it’s now one of our “best-sellers”! It was only last year that we finally got into the “Medievals” with our “Crusaders & Saracens”.

A wider “reach” can and often does lead to greater overall sales and more collectors. These collectors then, sometimes, go back and relook at existing series like WWII or American Revolution and begin another collection...hence more sales.

So, apologies in advance for being so hard on some of your “Defense Budgets” but it’s all about producing what we can...when we can...and trying to fulfill as many of you, the collectors’ requests and suggestions that keep pouring in by the bucket load.

And, if you think you’ve seen it all before...wait till you see what’s in the pipeline. Believe me...you ain’t seen nuthin’ yet!

Very best wishes and...happy collecting!

Andy C.
 
K&C gets the lions share of my defense budget. Britain being second in line. I even merged the two in the WWI series and the results were outstanding. Andy will continue to get the lions share though as I am waiting for Arnhem for my next big buy.
 
Hi Guys,

A big congratulations to “Combat” on opening a very, very interesting “thread”.

Here’s my tuppence worth for what it’s worth...Increased competition from our friends at Figarti...Honour Bound...John Jenkins etc., has more than helped keep K&C on our collective toes! It’s also helped to broaden and deepen the market. I’ve said this before...never in the history of toy soldiers/military miniatures has the choice for the collector been so wide and so varied...I love it cos I’m a collector myself! It’s also bringing more people into the hobby.

What I can honestly say is year on year K&C is still enjoying double-digit growth. So, although “Combat” may be cutting back on his K&C “buys” other people are buying more and still others are “discovering” us for the very first time.

At the same time K&C is reaching out into other historical eras where previously we had been under represented or no representation at all. As most of you know we steered well clear of “Napoleonics” for the longest time...it’s now one of our “best-sellers”! It was only last year that we finally got into the “Medievals” with our “Crusaders & Saracens”.

A wider “reach” can and often does lead to greater overall sales and more collectors. These collectors then, sometimes, go back and relook at existing series like WWII or American Revolution and begin another collection...hence more sales.

So, apologies in advance for being so hard on some of your “Defense Budgets” but it’s all about producing what we can...when we can...and trying to fulfill as many of you, the collectors’ requests and suggestions that keep pouring in by the bucket load.

And, if you think you’ve seen it all before...wait till you see what’s in the pipeline. Believe me...you ain’t seen nuthin’ yet!

Very best wishes and...happy collecting!

Andy C.


Andy

All I can say is that you have rob me of having a financially secure future ;)

As for the NAPOLEONICS - all I can say is YIPPPPPPEEEEEE !! :D

Your humble K&C adict.

Ron
 

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