Another great company that some dealers say makes the best possibly airplane available is Hobby Master. I picked up The 1:32 Dauntless for about 150 bucks a few months ago. That was with a discount that the dealer offers about five or six times a year. It is simply outstanding. Details are unmatched, and it comes with a heavy metal stand, that is superb. The company only makes 900 of each model. Check it out as it is the best bang for the buck I have seen. Regards, Larry.
Corgi 1/32 RAF P-51D Mustang £92.00 !!! (1 Viewer)
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Would a King and Country collector ( who grew up with polystone everything ), accept a diecast plane from K/C if it meant a better price point? Since I love the K/C painting scheme, I would be OK with it...Michael
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Just like it is hard to argue that the Conte Romans do not provide value for money so it s hard to argue that the Corgi 1:32 planes also offer value for money. You can argue about other things like which are more accurate or such but I think we all have to concede on the value for money issue.
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Is it that important what medium is used??? I am not so sure. Even the most hardened K&C collector must realise that A. you don't go by weight when buying military collectables and B. that polystone has its limitations in gaining accuracy for varying reasons one being weight. Now, thats not a dig its a fact or, just for one, we would now have a stuka out to buy and, would have track and wheel detail on AFV's that does not have all the additional clutter around them.
I would not be the slightest bit concerned if Andy throws away the polystone bag and used another medium if it meant lower prices but, thats not going to happen as its the crux of K&C. As for painting it matters not one bit what medium one uses as to the end effect
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I would not be the slightest bit concerned if Andy throws away the polystone bag and used another medium if it meant lower prices but, thats not going to happen as its the crux of K&C. As for painting it matters not one bit what medium one uses as to the end effect
Mitch
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I've seen pictues of this Dauntless and it looks great. I might just have to pick one up.{sm4}
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I'm not sure exactly what you mean here, but I guess value is up to each individual collector. In a way something's value is determined by what someone is willing to pay for it. In the case of the K&C Typhoon, if someone likes it enough to pay $369 and be happy about it, I guess that works for them. To me it wouldn't be worth it, but that's just my individual opinion.
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Hi Guys,
Apologies for slowness in replying. Thursdays down under are late trading and I close shop at 8pm.
Will respond in sequence.
The production numbers are important when talking about diecast. Neil indicates 900 being made of this version. Obviously Corgi will have the mould so knowing if they have done a previous Mustang or plan future ones is an important point. As I have mentioned before I have produced a diecast item and the set up / mould cost was huge relative to the unit cost. I would be most surprised if Corgi have not already done a Mustang or plan to do another. Anybody familiar with Accurate Armour / Franklin Mint will know they produced multiple versions of their aircraft.
When I mentioned the US$ price that was just a conversion of 110 pounds which is the actual RRP (I used www.xe.com ). You will note I did ask what the actual US$ price was and WWiibuff answered this with $125 which is cheaper than the UK pounds price.
K&C did 750 Brit and 250 US versions, so 1,000.
I was not aware Mitch gets accused of trawling to stir up the pot.
Neil, regarding bringing K&C into the conversation your post was "Corgi are making a new die-cast Mustang P51-D RAF for only £92.00 it can be done {eek3}". If you had missed out the "it can be done{eek3}" bit you would have just been saying Corgi doing a nice plane at a good price. By adding it can be done you are suggesting somebody else can do it. Since there are only two TS companies that have produced a WWII fighter so far (K&C and TG) and only one that has done a Mustang (K&C) then the obvious inference from your post was that K&C can do it (ie the price). Warlord did specifically mention K&C.
I do disagree with Mitch's comment "Is it that important what medium is used??? I am not so sure. Even the most hardened K&C collector must realise that A. you don't go by weight when buying military collectables"
Whilst it may not be a factor to Mitch ,who is a good modeller of plastic kits, I do think weight is an important factor. My reasons for this view are based on the following :
a) In 1998 before I started a shop I produced a diecast Titanic. The two top people in the company that made it for me were ex Matchbox (the guy who set up their Chinese production) and Corgi. As per their advice my Titanic was
"weighted" when in reality it did not need to be as heavy.
b) In same year I also produced some 120mm and 200mm resin figure kits. Made by a different place and again deliberately weighted as per the advice from the guy I was dealing with who said "weight equals value".
Same goes for the completed painted Queensland Fireman figure and bronzed resin soldier we made. I now sell other 300mm figures and these are much heavier than they need to be.
c) I used to sell Dragon 1/72 tanks and I had comments from people who did not like the plasticy feel and lack of weight in the later ones.
c) Some may recall the reaction to the first vehicle produced by FL 2 years ago where some commented upon its lack of weight. That was a decision made by FL and I am not knocking the quality of the item.
John Jenkins subsequently brought out his first tank and it was also very light. Those currently posting in this thread may not have bought Jenkins vehicles but I can tell you he has since made his vehicles heavier.
It is simple. If you had two identical tanks in every aspect except one was twice as heavy I would bet the majority would buy the heavier version as they would believe it has more value. The ones who bought the lighter
version would probably have some modelling background and would not be so bothered.
When people come into my shop and I am introducing TS's to them I will put a K&C figure in their hands. All have the same surprised reaction and that is that the weight of the figure adds to any good impression they have. When Andy of K&C brought down his prototype unpainted Lighhorse figures recently they were very light compared to finished items. I asked if they could painted as they were and he said no reason why could not be. However as we know they are made heavier.
Having said all that I do agree Corgi items represent good value. This subject got me thinking about my customers who bought K&C aircraft. I have not done a survey but I would guess most do not have any Corgi planes.
I have a fairly big hobby shop not far from me and they have a great range of diecast aircraft. I only know of one K&C collector who has bought Corgi. Would be interesting to know if collectors like Louis, Brad and Wayne have any
Corgi or Franlkin Mint aircraft. I think they regard themselves as Toy Soldier collectors rather than aircraft collectors. Then there are some in this thread who obviously buy Corgi but have also bought the more expensive K&C planes.
Hopefully some food for thought.
Regards
Brett
Apologies for slowness in replying. Thursdays down under are late trading and I close shop at 8pm.
Will respond in sequence.
The production numbers are important when talking about diecast. Neil indicates 900 being made of this version. Obviously Corgi will have the mould so knowing if they have done a previous Mustang or plan future ones is an important point. As I have mentioned before I have produced a diecast item and the set up / mould cost was huge relative to the unit cost. I would be most surprised if Corgi have not already done a Mustang or plan to do another. Anybody familiar with Accurate Armour / Franklin Mint will know they produced multiple versions of their aircraft.
When I mentioned the US$ price that was just a conversion of 110 pounds which is the actual RRP (I used www.xe.com ). You will note I did ask what the actual US$ price was and WWiibuff answered this with $125 which is cheaper than the UK pounds price.
K&C did 750 Brit and 250 US versions, so 1,000.
I was not aware Mitch gets accused of trawling to stir up the pot.
Neil, regarding bringing K&C into the conversation your post was "Corgi are making a new die-cast Mustang P51-D RAF for only £92.00 it can be done {eek3}". If you had missed out the "it can be done{eek3}" bit you would have just been saying Corgi doing a nice plane at a good price. By adding it can be done you are suggesting somebody else can do it. Since there are only two TS companies that have produced a WWII fighter so far (K&C and TG) and only one that has done a Mustang (K&C) then the obvious inference from your post was that K&C can do it (ie the price). Warlord did specifically mention K&C.
I do disagree with Mitch's comment "Is it that important what medium is used??? I am not so sure. Even the most hardened K&C collector must realise that A. you don't go by weight when buying military collectables"
Whilst it may not be a factor to Mitch ,who is a good modeller of plastic kits, I do think weight is an important factor. My reasons for this view are based on the following :
a) In 1998 before I started a shop I produced a diecast Titanic. The two top people in the company that made it for me were ex Matchbox (the guy who set up their Chinese production) and Corgi. As per their advice my Titanic was
"weighted" when in reality it did not need to be as heavy.
b) In same year I also produced some 120mm and 200mm resin figure kits. Made by a different place and again deliberately weighted as per the advice from the guy I was dealing with who said "weight equals value".
Same goes for the completed painted Queensland Fireman figure and bronzed resin soldier we made. I now sell other 300mm figures and these are much heavier than they need to be.
c) I used to sell Dragon 1/72 tanks and I had comments from people who did not like the plasticy feel and lack of weight in the later ones.
c) Some may recall the reaction to the first vehicle produced by FL 2 years ago where some commented upon its lack of weight. That was a decision made by FL and I am not knocking the quality of the item.
John Jenkins subsequently brought out his first tank and it was also very light. Those currently posting in this thread may not have bought Jenkins vehicles but I can tell you he has since made his vehicles heavier.
It is simple. If you had two identical tanks in every aspect except one was twice as heavy I would bet the majority would buy the heavier version as they would believe it has more value. The ones who bought the lighter
version would probably have some modelling background and would not be so bothered.
When people come into my shop and I am introducing TS's to them I will put a K&C figure in their hands. All have the same surprised reaction and that is that the weight of the figure adds to any good impression they have. When Andy of K&C brought down his prototype unpainted Lighhorse figures recently they were very light compared to finished items. I asked if they could painted as they were and he said no reason why could not be. However as we know they are made heavier.
Having said all that I do agree Corgi items represent good value. This subject got me thinking about my customers who bought K&C aircraft. I have not done a survey but I would guess most do not have any Corgi planes.
I have a fairly big hobby shop not far from me and they have a great range of diecast aircraft. I only know of one K&C collector who has bought Corgi. Would be interesting to know if collectors like Louis, Brad and Wayne have any
Corgi or Franlkin Mint aircraft. I think they regard themselves as Toy Soldier collectors rather than aircraft collectors. Then there are some in this thread who obviously buy Corgi but have also bought the more expensive K&C planes.
Hopefully some food for thought.
Regards
Brett
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Brett...
Its interesting what you say about weight. I don't or had not, when posting about it looked at it from a modellers perspective but from a toy soldier perspective. I wonder, and those who poll may do this but, I cannot see the weight issue being critical. I would think if K&C made lighter AFV's which, what I was talking about not the figures, then I am sure that collectors would buy them and wonder what all the ho har was about weight.
Weight does not have any baring for me in relation to quality which, is what collectors must go for first and foremost with weight being, surely, way down the line. Weight apparently equalling VFM from any maker has to be something that has no validation.
I know that some asked for more weight for plastic kits many years ago hence, all the after market bits and pieces and the introduction of photo etch but, nothing compared to say the weight of some polystone releases
I dont think lighter materials has done any harm to the hobby and my own opinion is that polystone detailing is at the zenith of what it can achieve
On figures, as you mentioned the weight I have to say that I am again, not that interested in how heavy they feel as again they could be much less weighty so long as the detail was there for me
Who would have thought weight was as interesting as this???
Mitch
Its interesting what you say about weight. I don't or had not, when posting about it looked at it from a modellers perspective but from a toy soldier perspective. I wonder, and those who poll may do this but, I cannot see the weight issue being critical. I would think if K&C made lighter AFV's which, what I was talking about not the figures, then I am sure that collectors would buy them and wonder what all the ho har was about weight.
Weight does not have any baring for me in relation to quality which, is what collectors must go for first and foremost with weight being, surely, way down the line. Weight apparently equalling VFM from any maker has to be something that has no validation.
I know that some asked for more weight for plastic kits many years ago hence, all the after market bits and pieces and the introduction of photo etch but, nothing compared to say the weight of some polystone releases
I dont think lighter materials has done any harm to the hobby and my own opinion is that polystone detailing is at the zenith of what it can achieve
On figures, as you mentioned the weight I have to say that I am again, not that interested in how heavy they feel as again they could be much less weighty so long as the detail was there for me
Who would have thought weight was as interesting as this???
Mitch
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First of all I will agree with Mitch that weight is not the most important thing when considering a model, at least not for me.
Brett, I don't understand your post regarding the weight issue, especially if you are comparing Corgi to K&C. Corgi 1/32 fighters are very heavy so that's not really a difference when comparing to K&C polystone. If weight is in fact what a collector is after, then Corgi or K&C both will provide a heavy model. The difference is Corgi is also providing moveable parts and crisper detail (and weight) at the same time and at a lower price. Just my thoughts.
Brett, I don't understand your post regarding the weight issue, especially if you are comparing Corgi to K&C. Corgi 1/32 fighters are very heavy so that's not really a difference when comparing to K&C polystone. If weight is in fact what a collector is after, then Corgi or K&C both will provide a heavy model. The difference is Corgi is also providing moveable parts and crisper detail (and weight) at the same time and at a lower price. Just my thoughts.
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The reason I did not mention K&C is I like there planes Brett & did not want the thread to go down the road it has , it not always about K&C mate :wink2:
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I am not saying weight is the most important aspect, far from it. My comments regarding weight were in general
and not really related to a comparison with Corgi.
Many of my customers who come in are seeing this kind of item for the first time and I can assure you when they
feel the weight it makes an impact. The first thing you have is the visual appeal of whatever it is. Then the sense
of touch (ie weight) adds to their visual impression and never fails to impress the first timer.
As a dealer I would much rather the manufacturer make the item heavy than light. I gave examples why in my
previous post.
The obvious other example coming will be when K&C brings out their WWI aircraft which will be heavier than the
current Jenkins aircraft. I have no doubt that with the majority of my "walkins" they would automatically assume
the heavier would be more expensive even if they are actually a similar price and same aircraft. The fact John
Jenkins has increased the weight of his vehicles suggests there might be something in this viewpoint.
I have no problem if you think otherwise about the weight issue. If your source of income was derived from this
type of product you might appreciate that every little bit that helps towards a sale is a good thing. Being light weight
is not a negative but in my view it does not add anything to saleability. A bit of extra weight does.
Anyway, we will have to disagree on this one.
Regards
Brett
and not really related to a comparison with Corgi.
Many of my customers who come in are seeing this kind of item for the first time and I can assure you when they
feel the weight it makes an impact. The first thing you have is the visual appeal of whatever it is. Then the sense
of touch (ie weight) adds to their visual impression and never fails to impress the first timer.
As a dealer I would much rather the manufacturer make the item heavy than light. I gave examples why in my
previous post.
The obvious other example coming will be when K&C brings out their WWI aircraft which will be heavier than the
current Jenkins aircraft. I have no doubt that with the majority of my "walkins" they would automatically assume
the heavier would be more expensive even if they are actually a similar price and same aircraft. The fact John
Jenkins has increased the weight of his vehicles suggests there might be something in this viewpoint.
I have no problem if you think otherwise about the weight issue. If your source of income was derived from this
type of product you might appreciate that every little bit that helps towards a sale is a good thing. Being light weight
is not a negative but in my view it does not add anything to saleability. A bit of extra weight does.
Anyway, we will have to disagree on this one.
Regards
Brett
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Cheers Larry,
Right you are! I am still waiting for the Corgi 1:32 scale Amiens Raid version Mosquito that was due to be released in December 2010! I finally cancelled my pre-order as in typical Corgi fashion it might end in "release cancelled" yet again. Too bad as I love their kites. Still, the best diecast planes I have seen to date were the GMP ones especially the blue nosed P-51. True, they are listed as 1:35 scale yet a tad bit bigger but I display them with the rest of the collection all the same-they were extremely well detailed and accurate to boot. Still hoping that Corgi comes through.
Hang Tough,
Marc
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What the hold up on the Mosquito Mac? The GMP P51 bluenoser were very nice .
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I wish I knew. Seems like Corgi tries to gauge sales via pre-order interest and then produce the release or scrap it. The Amiens version was a new tooling too wit the nose guns so I really wanted her! Still hoping...
Check Six,
Marc