Curious what collectors see in Glossy figures (1 Viewer)

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Hi all, just curious as to why collectors these days still collect glossy when figures have come a long way and look realistic and very detailed, were glossy
simple and toy like. They had never captivated me not even as a kid preferred regular figures that look real
 
Hi all, just curious as to why collectors these days still collect glossy when figures have come a long way and look realistic and very detailed, were glossy
simple and toy like. They had never captivated me not even as a kid preferred regular figures that look real

It's completely subjective.

I like toy soldiers, and like the classic glossy look.

As far as looking realistic is concerned, the modern collector's figure still isn't as realistic as a scale model figure. When I want a realistic figure, I'll buy a scale model kit and paint any crew figures myself.

To each, his own.

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Brad
 
Hi all, just curious as to why collectors these days still collect glossy when figures have come a long way and look realistic and very detailed, were glossy
simple and toy like. They had never captivated me not even as a kid preferred regular figures that look real

As somebody who collects both traditional glossy and modern matt toy soldiers, I can see both sides of the issue. For old codgers like me, the glossy soldiers bring back the glossy William Britains Toy Soldiers we had (or in my case, coveted, I couldn't afford them as a kid) as children. For me personally, every day I walked home from school I passed a Hobby Shop called Devlin's Hobbies, which had a big showcase full of glossy Britains Toy Soldiers, and I pressed my nose against the glass and wished I could have some of them. I started collecting them as young attorney, when I stumbled across a shop on 5th Avenue and 16th Street in Manhattan called B.Shackman's Toys & Novelties, which had a similar showcase full of Britains.

Some years later, in the winter of 1993/1994, as I browsed through some toy soldier advertisements, I came across a photograph that caused me to rethink collecting only glossy figures. The photograph was of a set of toy soldiers unlike anything I had seen up to that point: Teddy Roosevelt, mounted in his uniform as Lt. Colonel of the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] U.S. Volunteer Cavalry, with two of his dismounted “Rough Riders” marching behind him. The sculpting of the figures was the first thing that caught my eye: they were properly proportioned and athletic, like living soldiers rather than toys, in comfortable, realistic poses: Teddy slouching in his saddle, and the rough riders marching with their bed rolls slung around them from shoulder to waist. The paint finish also stood out: it was glossy, like traditional toy soldiers, but had the shadowing, dry brushing techniques, and detailed outlining I had only previously seen in prohibitively expensive matt “connoisseur” figures. I had to have it, immediately calling one of the dealers in the advertisement.

A week or so later, after I spent about fifteen minutes handling the figures (toy soldiers are so much more satisfying in person than in a photograph), I started to peruse the King & Country color brochures arriving with them. I was pleasantly surprised to discover this company didn’t just make toy soldiers: it produced wooden tanks, other vehicles, aircraft, even buildings. There were soldiers from World War II, even a set of U.S. Marines from the recent Gulf War, subjects I had never seen approached by the Toy Soldier companies I was familiar with up to this point.

I started purchasing all of the King & Country products I came across, as well as two other more innovative companies I discovered through the first King & Country dealer I patronized, Frontline and Trophy. Soon I had weeded out all but these three companies from my active collecting. Later I fell in love with one of K&C early competitors in the Toy aircraft and armored vehicle market, Heco Tinplate Models, and another small manufacturer of incredible accurate handcast vehicles (in both glossy and matt), CJB Models. On the matt side, I added figures, aircraft and vehicles by John Jenkins Designs, Eagle Designs, First Legion, and connoisseur figures from Aeroart.

I love them all, the glossy ones because of nostalgia and "toyishness," the matt ones because of realism and grittyness. While my overall collection is probably abour 75% matt, I wouldn't give up my glossy Trophy WWI, Heco Tinplate Models or CJB Models for the world.:salute::
 
Thanks guys, makes sense, I thought like myself we evolve as the hobby in relation to toy soldiers has, in particular last 10 years or so, variety, and in particular quality.

At the end of the day its what makes us happy, for me as well brings back memories, my dad had a small corner shop and a toy stand, when toy soldiers were placed on it ( plastic ) my brothers and I would take them and play war.

Plastic for many years, then started painting them. In my early 20s joined the Police Force and found it relaxing to paint and a great stress relieve, and gradually evolved into metal, continued on for many years and now only collect ready made, KC, JJ and TG and lucky to have made good friends in St Petersburg Russia, whom I have got know very well over 20 years and became friends, Russian st Petersburg figures are another range I enjoy a great deal.

Anyhow the hobby does bring enjoyment through life experiences and memories and the history we all enjoy.
 
I can’t really explain it but they can be addictive and grow on you. When I first started collecting I was a matte collector only and couldn’t see the point of glossy. Fast forward a couple of years and I was helping Louis set out his figures at his new house for the Symposium. The more I handled them and helped him place them in shelves, the more I grew to like them. That doesn’t mean I didn’t like matte anymore; I liked both styles.
 
While I admit that modern, matte figures are much more realistic than glossies, I started collecting 80 (no typo!) years ago when matte figures weren't readily available. Being somewhat of a traditionalist, I just stuck with them. This is reinforced by the size of matte figures . . . 60mm v the 54mm for glossies. They just didn't fit together! However I also like to model formations such as massed figures and at $30-40 a pop for matte figures, it was just too costly to collect them. I used to cast and paint figures, but those sold by manufacturers of matte figures were far beyond my limited capabilities. So it's glossy for me!

As my mother used to say "To each her own as the lady kissed the cow!"

Bosun Al
 
If you've never been in the presence of the Wedding Procession as shown, nor done a touchy feel on one you may never understand? :rolleyes: As for my explanation the gloss sparkle and double sparkle under light. For me Matte is meh and I prowl this site waiting for Andy to shock me with some new glossy sets!
 

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I am not hold enough to have had Britain's as a kid and I started playing Little Wars in 1974 with Plastic Airfix Napoleonics.

Although I am a wargamer and have a large collection of matt varnished 20-25mm wargames figures, I have never seen the appeal of 54mm Matte Toy Soldiers. For me, they have none of the charm and feel of a glossy toy soldier neatly painted and on parade. I also like being able to buy a figure that I know was designed and painted in the UK by the manufacturer rather than buying a "product" shipped from China but that is just me.

All my 54mm are painted in Toy Soldier style with glossy varnish.

I don't think that the hobby has evolved from glossy to Matte - they are two different aspects and I am proud to be keeping the glossy side of the hobby going through Imperial Miniatures...
 
...I don't think that the hobby has evolved from glossy to Matte - they are two different aspects and I am proud to be keeping the glossy side of the hobby going through Imperial Miniatures...

Actually, it did evolve, but that evolution began before most of us were born.

There were mileposts along the way, such as the figures Desfontaines made, and the project the British Model Soldier Society undertook in the late 30s to repaint Britains castings with more detail. In the 50s, we see the emergence of the model figure, a metal figure made to be a more accurate representation of its subject, rather than a figure meant to be a toy. Imrie, Risley, Scheid, Stadden, Gammage, are the names that come to mind first, though there were others, too.

By the late 60s, the metal toy soldier had pretty much died out, under the influence of consumer protection laws against lead in metal toys, and the availability and practicality of plastic to make toy soldiers. The metal miniature figure persisted.

The re-emergence of metal "toy soldiers" can best be illustrated by King & Country's emergence, and Frontline. But they're still different from the old, classic toy soldier, in that they're "collector's toys", as the term was coined. People buy them and set up displays, but no one plays with them in the same sense that children played with hollowcast Britains, back in the day.

The boundary between those matte toy soldiers and the miniature figure can be a little blurry, and the "collector's toy" has also come full circle, in that there are glossy figures, such as you produce.

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Brad
 
. But they're still different from the old, classic toy soldier, in that they're "collector's toys", as the term was coined. People buy them and set up displays, but no one plays with them in the same sense that children played with hollowcast Britains, back in the day.


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Brad

Actually, quite a lot of us collect them to play with (along with plastic 54mm) - 54mm wargaming is still popular.

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I love questions like this. It’s interesting to see how other collectors think and decide on what they collect. For me, because I do focus primarily on my glossy Durbar display because I love the big parades with camels and elephants and everything in-between! A lot of my figures are glossy but I collect anything toy soldier. I have everything from 110mm German composition figures to lead Russian figures from a small shop in Estonia to terra cotta Chinese warriors down to 20mm flats and all kinds of figures in between. So i guess it just doesn’t matter how they are painted to me just that they are toy soldiers.

Dave
 
Actually, quite a lot of us collect them to play with (along with plastic 54mm) - 54mm wargaming is still popular...

Wargaming isn't quite the same as taking your toy soldiers out to the garden or the sand box and playing with them in the dirt, sand, gravel, etc, though. That's the difference.

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Brad
 
Wargaming isn't quite the same as taking your toy soldiers out to the garden or the sand box and playing with them in the dirt, sand, gravel, etc, though. That's the difference.

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Brad

True - though some of us still take them out into the garden for games...

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