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I don't really disagree with most of what you propose. I'm sure China subscribes to MAD but the question is whether NK does. Is Kim rational. Perhaps he is "crazy like a fox"?

I don't know what platitudes like "leadership and courage" mean. Does that mean we are prepared to launch a strike on NK if nothing else works. That is not something I believe we should entertain. Frankly, I'm glad I don't have to make that decision.
 
jazzeum said:
I don't really disagree with most of what you propose. I'm sure China subscribes to MAD but the question is whether NK does. Is Kim rational. Perhaps he is "crazy like a fox"?

I don't know what platitudes like "leadership and courage" mean. Does that mean we are prepared to launch a strike on NK if nothing else works. That is not something I believe we should entertain. Frankly, I'm glad I don't have to make that decision.
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Statements like "I don't know what platitudes like "leadership and courage" mean."...seems a bit condescending, smug and arrogant. Sometimes terms like "leadership and courage" are not just hyperbole and in this case accurately describes the situation.

Carlos
 
I'm not going to engage with you as much as you'd like me to.
 
We should have listened to Patton and MacArthur and taken out Russia and China before they had nukes!!!!! Hind sight is wonderful.

The President, Congress and the Joint Chiefs of staff must answer two questions.
Does N. Korea have the ability to hit the US with nuclear weapons?
Do they have the real intent to attack the US knowing the consequences?

The President's sworn duty is to protect the US from attack.
Do we sacrifice millions of Korean lives to save ourselves? Knowing the attack would be "pre-emptive".

With the exception of Kennedy's Cuba missile crisis decision this could be the toughest decision a US President has ever had to make.
 
nysoldiers said:
We should have listened to Patton and MacArthur and taken out Russia and China before they had nukes!!!!! Hind sight is wonderful.

The President, Congress and the Joint Chiefs of staff must answer two questions.
Does N. Korea have the ability to hit the US with nuclear weapons?
Do they have the real intent to attack the US knowing the consequences?

The President's sworn duty is to protect the US from attack.
Do we sacrifice millions of Korean lives to save ourselves? Knowing the attack would be "pre-emptive".

With the exception of Kennedy's Cuba missile crisis decision this could be the toughest decision a US President has ever had to make.
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I've been following your posts about the Korean situation and have questions for you, ones which draw on your understanding of the South...

If Seoul is such a death-trap, why is there no mention of evacuation?

Are there no contingency plans for such an evacuation, drills and such, or even something on paper?

In the absence of any effort to preserve the city's inhabitants from annihilation, can we assume that the population is serving as a pawn of not only the dictator to the North, but of the South Korean government as well?

Several years back, NK torpedoed a SK warship. If a U.S. warship is struck this afternoon, would the South Korean default position be such that retaliation is out of the question for fear of a NK attack on Seoul?

These are real questions that I believe Americans need answers to before proceeding one step further. I suggest this because one has to question what the South is actually up to. From over here, it would appear that they are not only expecting the USA to defend them, but also that the defense be conducted on their terms. Thoughts?

-Moe
 
My wife has been over there for the last two months visiting her sick mother. South Korea and China really aren't too concerned. They think we are blowing the situation out of proportion. They think he's all talk and no action. They have lived with his families tantrums for years. All he cares about is keeping his power. Attacking us or his neighbors is counter productive to that goal. Hopefully this is the case becasue she's there until November
 
ivanmoe said:
I've been following your posts about the Korean situation and have questions for you, ones which draw on your understanding of the South...

If Seoul is such a death-trap, why is there no mention of evacuation?

Are there no contingency plans for such an evacuation, drills and such, or even something on paper?

In the absence of any effort to preserve the city's inhabitants from annihilation, can we assume that the population is serving as a pawn of not only the dictator to the North, but of the South Korean government as well?

Several years back, NK torpedoed a SK warship. If a U.S. warship is struck this afternoon, would the South Korean default position be such that retaliation is out of the question for fear of a NK attack on Seoul?

These are real questions that I believe Americans need answers to before proceeding one step further. I suggest this because one has to question what the South is actually up to. From over here, it would appear that they are not only expecting the USA to defend them, but also that the defense be conducted on their terms. Thoughts?

-Moe
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Hey Moe,

All military dependents participate in yearly (or semi-annual) evacuation drills to get the civilians out of the country at a moments notice. The people in Seoul live there and that is there home, so I don't know if they have any where to evacuate. Maybe the far south of Korea like Kunsan or something.

The South Korean government just went through a HYUGE Presidential scandal with missing money, abuse of power and some creeped out religious cult attached to the President. The new government under President Moon is just setting up shop since May and the public's confidence in the government is at an all time low. Sound familiar. Fat Boy Un is taking advantage of this SK political instability and is taking it to new heights.

The ROK military could re-act and "get it on" with the NK if they wanted to, but won't out of respect for Joint Operations with the US. Right now our Navy look like a bunch of buffoons with all the ship accidents and deaths Ole Fat Boy Un is laughing at us and probably telling his circle "See, they can even float right".

As far as exceptions of SK to defend them is kinda true, but not entirely true. The ROK military are some tough som-*****es and perform some really, really crappy duty along the DMZ, the sea and air. Their military is not inept, but on constant preparedness. The Vietcong feared the ROK marines during the Vietnam War as they were 10 times more brutal than any enemy they encountered.

So, the Nuclear test is alarming, but nothing new. They do it every so often and it just sucks to stir up the war bells in the Peninsula. Just, remember "winter is coming" and that is the time to wage a full scale ground war on the North. As far as what do we do now...well I just hope cooler heads prevail. We may have to bring Bill Richardson out of retirement to work some magic on negotiations.

OR

Send Dennis Rodman to do it.

God help us...

John from Texas
 
ivanmoe said:
I've been following your posts about the Korean situation and have questions for you, ones which draw on your understanding of the South...

If Seoul is such a death-trap, why is there no mention of evacuation?

Are there no contingency plans for such an evacuation, drills and such, or even something on paper?

In the absence of any effort to preserve the city's inhabitants from annihilation, can we assume that the population is serving as a pawn of not only the dictator to the North, but of the South Korean government as well?

Several years back, NK torpedoed a SK warship. If a U.S. warship is struck this afternoon, would the South Korean default position be such that retaliation is out of the question for fear of a NK attack on Seoul?

These are real questions that I believe Americans need answers to before proceeding one step further. I suggest this because one has to question what the South is actually up to. From over here, it would appear that they are not only expecting the USA to defend them, but also that the defense be conducted on their terms. Thoughts?

-Moe
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Good questions....I have some of my own opinions but will pose them to my South Korean friends.
 
hotel3alpha said:
Hey Moe,

All military dependents participate in yearly (or semi-annual) evacuation drills to get the civilians out of the country at a moments notice. The people in Seoul live there and that is there home, so I don't know if they have any where to evacuate. Maybe the far south of Korea like Kunsan or something.

The South Korean government just went through a HYUGE Presidential scandal with missing money, abuse of power and some creeped out religious cult attached to the President. The new government under President Moon is just setting up shop since May and the public's confidence in the government is at an all time low. Sound familiar. Fat Boy Un is taking advantage of this SK political instability and is taking it to new heights.

The ROK military could re-act and "get it on" with the NK if they wanted to, but won't out of respect for Joint Operations with the US. Right now our Navy look like a bunch of buffoons with all the ship accidents and deaths Ole Fat Boy Un is laughing at us and probably telling his circle "See, they can even float right".

As far as exceptions of SK to defend them is kinda true, but not entirely true. The ROK military are some tough som-*****es and perform some really, really crappy duty along the DMZ, the sea and air. Their military is not inept, but on constant preparedness. The Vietcong feared the ROK marines during the Vietnam War as they were 10 times more brutal than any enemy they encountered.

So, the Nuclear test is alarming, but nothing new. They do it every so often and it just sucks to stir up the war bells in the Peninsula. Just, remember "winter is coming" and that is the time to wage a full scale ground war on the North. As far as what do we do now...well I just hope cooler heads prevail. We may have to bring Bill Richardson out of retirement to work some magic on negotiations.

OR

Send Dennis Rodman to do it.

God help us...

John from Texas
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Good points.....from my experiences in South Korea I believe their military is very strong and prepared. They have many bomb shelters, military installations hidden and protected in the mountain areas and even their highways can be turned into air landing fields at a moments notice.
While I still think that most South Koreans don't believe an all out war will occur a growing minority see the possibility and are preparing as best they can.
Remember that any mass evacuation or other sign of imminent conflict could convince the North of a pre-emptive strike and they might go into action themselves.
Will get more updates from my friends in the South.
 
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