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Did any one see the review in the latest TS&MF of the King and County set ''Gestapo Arrest''????:confused::confused:

I thought it was a bit too strong, I mean it's just a Toy Soldier set!!!:confused::)

What are your views on this????:confused:
 
Havn't read it yet Scott,why what did it say?

Rob
 
Yeah, I saw it, and I thought it missed the point. The opinion of the author was that depicting the gestapo dragging this poor guy off to near certain death was going too far, but I think just the opposite. Depicting a terrible incident like this is fine by me, because it preserves the horrible history without glorifying the Nazis. I am far more offended by the LAH parade stuff, which depicts the Nazi's in their ominous finery as "cool looking" bad guys. I don't want kids thinking the Nazi's look cool, I want kids earning that the Nazi's were and are the scum of the earth.
 
Superbly put,couldn't agree more.

Rob
 
Here is the full article.

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WORLD WAR II GESTAPO ARREST!
BY KING & COUNTRY LTD.


Reviewed by: Stuart A. Hessney

IS IT just me, or do any readers out there agree that the new "Gestapo Arrest!" set by King & Country Ltd. is a shocking
example of poor taste?

The Gestapo was the official secret police of Nazi Germany. K&C's 1:30-scale, matt-finished set (ref. WSS91; £82.95 U.K./$99 U.S.) depicts uniformed men from the Gestapo's "Sicherheitsdienst" (Security Service, or SO) taking a suspected member of the French Resistance into custody for interrogation during World War II.

Guilty or innocent, the Frenchman is probably going to be tortured. And apparently he has already been badly beaten. He has a black eye, he's spattered with his own blood and his hands are bound behind his back. His captors include an officer
holding a pistol, a SO man with an automatic weapon, and a driver seated behind the wheel of a French-made, Citroen
Traction 11CV. The four-door sedan has a detailed interior and Gestapo markings on its exterior. It might as well be a hearse knowing the patheticlooking Frenchman's chances of survival in Nazi custody.

In my view, this set from Andy C. Neilson and company at K&C (Website: www.kingandcountry.
com) starkly exemplifies the hobby's historic conflict between the inherent childlike innocence of toy figures and some
manufacturers' quest for gritty and sometimes horrifying realism.

RISKY BUSINESS

The Gestapo was established in 1933 as a branch of the Prussian Secret Police known as Department 1A. In Adolf
Hitler's Nazi Germany, the Gestapo's powers quickly expanded as it was granted carte blanche to investigate and
deal with "all tendencies dangerous to the state." The Gestapo was dreaded for abusing its power of "schutzhaft" ("protective custody") -- a euphemism for imprisoning people without iudicial oversiaht. Prisoners could look forward to being
beaten, tortured and/or executed.

Administered as part of Heinrich Himmler's "Schutz Staffel" (SS), the Gestapo grew to as many as 45,000 members during WWII. Among other atrocities, the secret police organization was responsible for creating and running concentration camps that claimed the lives of millions of Jews and others.

In occupied countries, the Gestapo battled movements like the French Resistance, an umbrella title for numerous organizations that opposed both the Germans and France's collaborationist Vichy government. Resistance groups
included armed guerrillas such as the maquis in the countryside, publishers of underground newspapers, and escape networks that assisted Allied military personnel.

Resisting the Nazis was a risky business for anyone directly involved -- as well as the people around them -- because
the Germans had no qualms about using brutal means to subdue opposition. The Nazis would execute people simply
suspected of being guerrillas, take hostages and execute several citizens in retaliation for one German casualty.

Pronouncing guilt by association due to resistance activities in a given neighborhood, the Nazis also engaged in terrible massacres such as killing the residents of Oradour-sur-Glane and razing their French village.

EXPLOITATION?

K&C's "Gestapo Arrest'" set is well-made and certainly interesting. But in my opinion, it is a distasteful exploitation of evil.

Look, I'm no babe in the woods. I realize modeling history is the cornerstone of this hobby. No one needs to tell me axioms like, "Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

Makers such as CBG Mignot of France, England's W. Britain and Germany's Heyde enjoyed sales success a century ago because they produced toy soldiers based on their nations' current events.

In recent years the hobby has witnessed rippedfrom-the-headlinesfigures like K&C's own Osama bin Laden, Good Soldiers' Saddam Hussein, and Figarti's U.S. soldiers and Iraqi insurgents. Contemporary topics sell and naturally always will. It's a perfectly logical and legitimate marketing tactic.

When it comes to the WWII era, German-related toy soldier items are so prevalent in the marketplace because they sell well. And not just your average army troops, but the dyed-in-the-wool Nazis too.

For instance, ask any K&C dealer how they do with sales of the Leibstandarte range depicting the black-clad SS bodyguard, Hitler and his cronies? A vendor might hem and haw with a hint of shame when replying, but truth be told the reality is that those swastika-waving, goosestepping Nazis are bestsellers.

Part of the fun of toy soldier collecting is pitting the good guys against the bad guys in displays. And, of course, let us not forget that one man's "bad guy" might be another's "good guy."

Still I'm dismayed by the apparent popularity of Hitler and his Nazi henchmen. And, as TS&MF editor, it's my prerogative to express my opinion that K&C's "Gestapo Arrest!" set is too lurid and over the top.

Some might argue that if a child sees this set and asks questions, it could open the door to a history lesson. But let's face it -- this set is designed as a collectible for adults -- adults who shouldn't need to be reminded of the history
behind it, and should know better.

Where does it all end? Where do we draw the line? Is there a line? What's next -- a Holocaust set depicting Jews being marched off to the gas chamber? Gosh, let's hope things never go that far!

Some readers might agree with me. Others might be keen to lambaste me. As always, I look forward to readers' letters to the editor with their thoughts on this issue.
 
Thanks for posting that Brad.Although the Gestapo set is maybe a little strong,as Louis said the LAH stuff is a lot worse and i would never collect it.However that is only my opinion and each to their own.And in truth i have a book case full of Tanks that killed countless thousands,and i have no qualms about that.As i say its what each individual see's in their own collection.:)

Rob
 
Boy I can’t agree more with Louis. I've said for awhile now that if you are going to produce the LAH stuff, which in my view glamorizes the NAZI SCUM you should do sets that also depicts the true nature of the NAZI regime's evil. My hats off to Andy for producing this set.
 
I think the author makes some valid points in a reasonable way. I know I have no interest in the Gestapo car but I guess others may like it as part of an Occupied France diorama.

Personally I'd think it's a niche product in a very niche market but K&C obviously feel it's worth their while producing it
 
If Andy really wanted to be fair and balanced (where have I heard that slogan before?) he should do a set with Eichmann on the gallows, Klaus Barbie in a cell, and a limited edition of a well chared corpse of Hitler and Eva.:eek::eek:
 
I guess I’m just trying to keep things in perspective when I say that THEY’RE JUST TOYS! Toy soldiers aren’t going to re-write history or change water into wine because they’re just toys. You buy them and they look cool where ever you may display them. If you don’t like them, don’t buy them – obviously everyone has different tastes. I’m sure some people disagree with me but that’s my take. I use to have a handle on life until it fell off.

Take Care

Chris McKenna
 
I've always been afraid that if K&C went big time the liberals would go nuts on the LAH series.
Ray
 
If Andy really wanted to be fair and balanced (where have I heard that slogan before?) he should do a set with Eichmann on the gallows, Klaus Barbie in a cell, and a limited edition of a well chared corpse of Hitler and Eva.:eek::eek:

You are not the first person to recommend this to Andy, and his eyes got pretty big when it was mentioned in the past.
 
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. His purpose is that of selling more magazines – That’s his job. However, in my opinion Mr. Hessney’s comment about distasteful exploitation of evil is way out of line.

The review could have focused on the many positive aspects of this set and collecting, some of which he did. Instead, in the end the writer chooses to promote himself.

I have the “Gestapo Arrest!” and to me it is such an excellent representation of an event in WWII history. That is why I collect.
 
You know - Andy always likes the "SHOCK and AWE" of his figures.

This is just another cutting edge example of his art. I probally wont buy this set - like the LAH - but, I admire the real art and the purpose of the figures.

It has already been said - its your collection - collect what YOU WANT ! :)
 
Guys

And lets not forget 'IT sells'!

Andy is very good at depicting History.

Churchill once said 'those that ignore the past ignore the future'

The Gestapo was a fact, lets ensure it doesnt happen again. However i agree a toy figure set which by the way is an awesome piece of sculpting and painting, will not start a mass of underground policing............which is already there anyhow! Did someone just mention a Bay some where!

To ignore the past is dangerous..........tell that to Hitler when he went East in winter! Napoleaon had already done it.........Mad fool.

Tony
 
What we need is some French resistance figures about to burst out of hiding and free the bloke in handcuffs?.(after killing the Nazis):)

Rob
 
Stop!
wait a minute Mr Postman...

You're on the right lines there.
What would have been cool would have been an ambushed Gestapo car with Maquis armed with stens freeing a prisoner.
 
Wai..wai...ait a min.....sorry got carried away with it for a min:D

You are right Oh Easy type person.We could still have an ambush team and might i add some dead Gestapo,what better than dead Gestapo!.

Rob
 
Now thats a good idea.I would happily have the death of that piece of scum represented in my office.

Rob
 

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