Ebay Says Fraud Crackdown Has Worked (1 Viewer)

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This was in today's Business section of the New York Times

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EBay Says Fraud Crackdown Has Worked

By BRAD STONE

The online auction giant eBay wants the world to know that it is trying to clean up its site.

In January, the 12-year-old company, based in San Jose, Calif., announced what it characterized as a significant shift in its philosophy toward protecting eBay members from fraud.

Instead of a more hands-off approach that emphasized giving members the tools to make their own choices, it rolled out new efforts to combat the sale of counterfeit items and revised its feedback system to give buyers and sellers more information about each other.

At the annual three-day eBay Live conference for its members, which begins today in Boston, the company plans to discuss the progress of those efforts for the first time.

The results are promising. The company will report a 60 percent decline in the number of complaints from luxury goods makers that counterfeits of their products are being sold on the site. It also says that in the last four months it has banished tens of thousands of sellers from its auction marketplace who did not meet new, elevated standards.

But many of its efforts have also fallen short. Other companies whose products are not yet protected by the new anticounterfeiting measures still complain about piracy on eBay, and some longtime sellers complain that they are left in the dark about changes to the complex ecosystem on which they depend.

“Whenever you do things on eBay, you never necessarily get 100 percent of people happy with you,” Meg Whitman, eBay’s chief executive, said in an interview last week.

“We are very pleased with our anticounterfeit efforts,” she said. “We’ve seen some dramatic results. We’ve also seen good adoption of our enhanced feedback system, though not every seller loves it. But I think over time it will help.”

Some ominous statistics forced eBay to get tough on fraud. The percentage of active users on the site, those who have participated in auctions in the last 12 months, declined from 41 percent in 2005 to 36 percent this year — a possible sign that fewer eBay members find the site a safe place to do business.

“A piece of improving the buyer experience is improving trust and safety,” Ms. Whitman said.

The cornerstone of that effort is the anticounterfeiting campaign. EBay says the sale of fake brand-name goods on its site exploded when it expanded to China in 2004, but rights holders have complained to eBay about the problem for years.

EBay has responded in the past by asking companies to monitor auctions of their products and send them notices on items they believe to be fraudulent. That frustrated rights holders, who had to spend valuable time and money scouring the site. In 2004, Tiffany & Company sued eBay in New York after concluding that 73 percent of the products sold on the auction site that bore its name were counterfeit. The trial is scheduled to start in October.

Rights holders say their demands have pushed eBay into taking a stronger stance. EBay has rolled out these new measures to the 100 categories most favored by counterfeiters, including clothing and luxury goods like handbags.

Under the new rules in these categories, sellers face limits on the number of items they can sell and cannot sell items using short one- or three-day auctions, which are a favorite of scammers who hope to take their money and disappear. EBay also introduced a host of geographical restrictions, like preventing sellers in China and Hong Kong, where piracy is rampant, from putting up listings in those categories at all.

The new measures seem to be working, sellers in categories prone to counterfeiting say. “Almost overnight you saw a lot of fake Nikes disappear,” said Matt Kubancik, a 20-year-old footwear retailer from Louisville, Ky.

But not everyone is pleased. The Software Industry Association of America, a trade group, says that 90 percent of the software for sale on eBay is sold illegally. John Pinheiro, vice president for legal and human relations at FileMaker, a subsidiary of Apple, said his company had noticed little change in the last few months.

“They promised a lot of things over the years, and not much has materialized,” Mr. Pinheiro said. “It took us four years to get to these few antipiracy efforts.”

EBay disputes the 90 percent figure and says it is only beginning to expand its new antipiracy measures to the software category.

Many rights holders say they would also like the ability to approve auctions of products bearing their brand before they are posted to the site. Ms. Whitman said of that, “We have thought about it, that it may ultimately be in the second phase of what we do.”

In addition to its anticounterfeiting measures, eBay has also sought to raise the standards for sellers on its service. It has banned sellers with chronically bad “feedback” (the ratings left by buyers), and it now requires all new sellers to register with its payment subsidiary, PayPal, which verifies their identity by asking for a credit card or bank account number.

EBay has also updated the feedback mechanism, calling the expanded system, which was introduced on its United States site last month, Feedback 2.0. It added four dimensions to the ratings, asking buyers to separately evaluate the item description, the quality of the seller’s communications, the shipping and the shipping charges.

“We wanted new ways to help buyers distinguish good sellers from mediocre sellers,” said Rob Chestnut, eBay’s global head of trust and safety, who noted that too many sellers had nearly perfect approval ratings. “The old system was giving sellers a great pat on the back but not enough constructive criticism.”

Again, eBay’s good intentions yielded mixed results. Many sellers complained that they had no control over the shipping time and cost and that it was unfair to rank them on those topics. About 400 eBay sellers have signed an online petition against the new feedback system.

Also, fewer buyers are using the more complex and time-consuming rating tool. Scot Wingo, chief executive of ChannelAdvisor, which helps large retailers sell on eBay, says the number of transactions receiving feedback has declined by 10 percent since the system was introduced.

EBay said that the system was still new but that 70 percent of its sellers around the world were using it.

The reluctance of buyers to use the new feedback system is characteristic of eBay’s biggest challenge: making improvements to a network that has so many stakeholders that it is almost impossible to nudge it painlessly in any one direction.

“What happens is, as eBay plugs one problem, others come in and fill their spot,” Mr. Wingo of ChannelAdvisor said.

But Ms. Whitman said the company had no plans to rest on its laurels. “Fraud is inherent in marketplaces of our scale,” she said. “We have got to stay ahead of the bad guys. They get more sophisticated, so we have to get more sophisticated.”
 
Sorry, I don't buy it, the only thing that has changed is now the people involved in selling and buying cannot see who's bidding and there past histories. In the past I have had to so the research and fight with e-bay involving as many as 10 emails before they understood a fraud and disbard both sellers and bidders.
Now by withholding info there eliminating fraud? the free flow of information is the key to keeping all entities honest, not the opposite. Ebay has never come to me and said there has been a fraud perpetrated, though I've heard many stories from this forum where others have also snifed out a fraud and dealt with it.
Give me an entity that says "Don't worry, we'll take care of it" and I know they'll screw it up. Sure there fraud is down reports, they've taken all the watchers out of it!
You wouldn't allow your gov't to deny you oversight, why would you except it in the people that handle your money?
Ray :cool:
 
It seems that ebay has finally cracked down on identifying bidders. It seemed that until recently you could see who bidders were until an item reached $200. That has now changed. In addition, if someone was looking at auctions you had bid one, they could see the items you had both won and lost. That now appears to be over. Others can only what you see have won.
 
I know of one dealer who sells out-'n'-out copies of castings of Britains (solid-cast, and probably unlicensed); Imrie-Risley (also probably unlicensed); some Sanderson (are those now "public domain", as it were? I don't know if the molds were purchased by any current makers); as well as the odd figure from Prins August and Schneider molds (those are OK). eBay's crackdown doesn't seem to have stopped such dealers.

And perhaps it shouldn't. I think we need to educate ourselves about what we collect and what we buy. And then, if we get taken, we've probably got enough information to back up a fraud claim and pursue it in civil court.

Prosit!
Brad
 
Well, right on eBay. I love you guys.

YOu took my ability to share with the world when a bidder has treated me like dirt, allowed people to criticize me for shipping charges which I post clear as day so there are no surprises, allow people who have had their accounts hacked multiple times (so they claim) to retain those accounts and raised fees on us on top of it all.

So, eBay sees a decline in purchasers? That might be an economic indicator as much as a safe secure indicator. So they respond by making sure buyers can't get a negative while stating we sellers will get more protections. Hmmmm.
 
You got it Gideon,
I have had fraud perpitrated against me twice and in both cases it was my research of the offending parties info were I fereted out the info and screamed at ebay until they got it and threw them out! now it's totally impossible to do such research and ebay is totally Impotent to all but the most blatant and stupid crooks.
Lets see zero transparity, total inability to check records of anybody or anything, no negative comments.
Great the perfect big brother state, "don't you worry, we're taking away all information for your protection" anybody who believes this ccrap deserves to be taken.
Ray:mad::mad::mad:
 
sadly for me, eBay has the largest audience and I do a lot better than selling at soldier shows. In fact the last few soldier shows I attended were so poorly attended that it really wasn't worth the time dollar wise.

I have no idea what to do here. I have been putting rules so that unpaid strike and low feedback bidders are excluded. Well, that's a problem because the system eBay provides to block bidders is so under developed compared to the new feedback systems, etc.

I have a few new customers with very low feedback and they are good people - you gotta start somewhere, you know?

This is suha dang can of worms. It was such a great place 10 years ago.
 
I have no idea what to do here. I have been putting rules so that unpaid strike and low feedback bidders are excluded. Well, that's a problem because the system eBay provides to block bidders is so under developed compared to the new feedback systems, etc.

I have a few new customers with very low feedback and they are good people - you gotta start somewhere, you know?

This is suha dang can of worms. It was such a great place 10 years ago.

Gideon,

Can you not remove the automatic block, but put a rider in the text that states something along the lines of 'bidders with less than XX feedback will need to contact me first, or the bid will be removed' or something like that? I've seen other sellers do similar. It might be a compromise.

Simon
 
That's probably not a bad idea. I've only had to block one bidder from bidding on my stuff. However, only some one has many negatives I don't want to prevent a person from bidding. After all, we all started out with zero feedback once.
 
Gideon,

Can you not remove the automatic block, but put a rider in the text that states something along the lines of 'bidders with less than XX feedback will need to contact me first, or the bid will be removed' or something like that? I've seen other sellers do similar. It might be a compromise.

Simon

I've posted that but very few to none actually pay attention to my "terms".

I un-did the block and now I have to monitor very closely the bidders.

I omitted bids from a buyer with 21 feedbacks who had not bought anything since 2005, sent a notice explaining to get in touch with me to bid again. Turned out to be a really great guy I've met a bunch of times in NJ. He thankfully understood why I cancelled his bid - thankfully and graciously.

It's mistakes and precautions like that which make me very worried. This is a business to me but equally fun in a lot of ways - for buyer and for me.
 
I couldn't have said it better, Gideon. Ebay, while once magnificent and full of potential, has become a caricature of itself. It's a shame.
 
IMHO, you hit the nail square on the head, nmrocks. Ebay is simply not being honest with all of their customers (sellers). What they are currently doing seems to be poisoned with "lawyerism" and acts of desperation. They are only protecting those who they perceive will keep them the most profitable over the duration. "Too many sellers with 100% positive FB" they say- what a joke! Would they rather have a bunch of worthless, shifty sellers? People who wich to maintain a 100% positive FB rating invariably have to deal with deabeat and/or abusive bidders and "take one for the team" at a loss; it happens to all sellers over time, but sellers take a loss if the wish to maintain the high FB. That option is now gone. There is NO balance of power. Let me suggest that ebay themselves are moving in direct of fraudulent waters themselves by "protecting us" by limiting our access to information about crooked buyers and eliminating our inability to warn others about them. Ebay has become a dead, bloated joke. It was fun while it lasted.
 
Did anyone think they would say it didn't work?

Perhaps Ebay will improve now that Meg has left.......she had no clue.

In my opinion Ebay just doesn't understand its marketplace.

1st it should deal with non-paying bidders, and fraud. Non-paying bidders should not be allowed to leave negitive feedback, and should be given one warning. The second time they bid and don't pay they are gone period.

How difficult is it to identify fraud? There are countless sellers offering high ticket items Rolex watches, Hermes Birkin Bags, and here are a couple of my personal favorites:

# 330225497508 Worlds largest emeral for 19 Million........or
#300212819590 How about a Very very rare perfectley Mereorite (what ever that is) for a cool 2 Million. or
#300212207036 1 Million 200 Thousand (only $1 shipping) for a "Special" Garbage Pail Kids Card......along with some non-sense about how to get it from Topps.

If ebay is going to continue to accept non-sense auctions like this who can believe they are serious about FRAUD?

They should lower listing fees to encourage more items are offered, and raise selling fees because sellers are less likely to be annoyed if they can get a decient price for their items.

How difficult is this to figure out?

Njja
 

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