Facebook conspiracy therory... (1 Viewer)

MarkeytMaker

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Today's Facebook stock trading conspiracy therory...place an order to buy and the order won't take...then place a modify, or cancel and it becomes pending. Once your order becomes pending it will stay pending. Then when the stock sinks, the market makers execute your original order and claim your first order overrides your cancelled or pending modification. This locks in profits for them...OH!...I might add if the stock goes higher then your original order, it gets miraculously cancelled!
 
It was quite a mess today.
I think I'd wait a year before I would consider buying.
 
And getting worse by the day, stock dropped to about 31.00 today, an 18% drop so far, about a 33 billion dollar hit in the value of the company.

Good thing we've got financial wizzards around here like Markeytmaker to enlighten us on things like this..........
 
George, man...I'm cracking up!

Seriously, though, I was skeptical of this offering, because of the history of websites and their stock. My observation is that since they don't have much in the way of traditional physical capital, like a factory and equipment sitting somewhere, much of the value is based on projections of the ad space they might sell and any fees they might be able to charge user, and other intangible assets. It's highly speculative. Upshot is, it seems that they're heavy on sizzle, light on steak, in a manner of speaking.

If you can hop on, buy at a good price, and judge the right time, you can make a killing, but this one is too much of a gamble for me.

Prost!
Brad
 
Brad,

Just remember that I like you as I/we proceed here...you make it sound so simple{sm2}...this observation of yours:tongue: Here is my oBsErVation'S as the actual real life event's unfolded...

1) Everyone and their mother, friend, co-worker wanted some pre-IPO stock once news became public months ago. (of course not you because you knew about the lack of tangibles and what the real potential or direction is sarcasm here and of course this having a risk laughing here)

2) Best I could find was $200K buy in (pre-IPO)

3) ahh $200K was more than I could do!

4) I place an order for a measly 40 shares @ $40 on opening day and from here is where it all becomes a conspiracy, or should I say a blurry scam as what may be taking place behind the scenes (and oh yes I feel like a gulible sucker at 10 minutes into the trade)

5) Once the order is placed I sense the order isn't going to be filled ( I mean my observation is that it won;t be filled^&grin)...especially once I see the stock take the sharp u-turn back to $38 or so and my order is sitting unfilled at $40{eek3}...so I decide it's time for order modification and I'm willing to take some at $38 and place a change order to the $38. This is the point in my (observation) where things really get cookin. Once I place the change order it became a pending change order...for an hour I might add:mad: I lose my patience and get frustrated :mad::mad::mad:and now decide to do a cancel order...I'll show them say's the gulible one (me) :redface2: Well...that didn't go so well either as the change order became pending all day{eek3} Once the market closed the order fell back 30 minutes after the market closed to the original open order. So now there is a real issue...market is closed...it's Friday...and my order is open...which means come Monday I'm in the hands of the vulcher's with zero control over my money...this is certainly not a normal position and one I have never expirenced. COme pre-markeyt Monday I'm on the phone doing what I can to force a cancel (which I manged to accomplish) Now I'm nuetral and feeling better.

6) My final observation...o.k thought! Did the MM's even have shares to sell??? (please don't nobody chime in here and say regulation requires them to have some for sale...LOL!) Was the demand so much greater than the selling pressure then what they had predicted??? Since orders wern't being filled...then to me that equates to shares not being available. Their reasoning was too much volume which I say is hogwash...actual trading volume was around half a billion (573 million)...BofA has traded numerous day's with 1 Billion plus volume and didn't have a traffic jam...hmmm? The only ones left here are called bag holders, who will become the seller's because the buyers are soured and won't touch this again until the low 20's maybe high teens...I understand the institutions are going to have some buys sitting at $30 and $25 but that is all assuming they haven't already altered their own buy in points lower because of this mess?


Brad...all I need to know is that Mark Zuckerberg is smarter than you an me because we would have took the $$$Billion dollars offered years ago...right? But he didn't because he knows more than we do...with that said I will ride this company with a small investment $2-10K. For me any point into here is a fair chance but as greed will be I will try to aquire it at what appears to be a much lower entry point...had things been less fraudulent (that's what I'm calling it) then $40 would have been a fair entry for a flip and re-entry later for another flip before the December bomb!

The Financial Wizard!
"My signature is so wrong for this event/post that I may just need to change it!"
 
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I only buy stock in companies the actually make something. Facebook stock is like paying for air. It's bubble is due to burst very soon.
 
I only buy stock in companies the actually make something. Facebook stock is like paying for air. It's bubble is due to burst very soon.

I agree 100%.......A company that has no tangible Assets is worth 104 Billion :confused:.
And what worth more then a company like McDonalds.....I guess the tech wreck of 2000 is all forgotten :rolleyes2:
 
Brad,

Just remember that I like you as I/we proceed here...you make it sound so simple{sm2}...this observation of yours:tongue: Here is my oBsErVation'S as the actual real life event's unfolded...

1) Everyone and their mother, friend, co-worker wanted some pre-IPO stock once news became public months ago. (of course not you because you knew about the lack of tangibles and what the real potential or direction is sarcasm here and of course this having a risk laughing here)

2) Best I could find was $200K buy in (pre-IPO)

3) ahh $200K was more than I could do!

4) I place an order for a measly 40 shares @ $40 on opening day and from here is where it all becomes a conspiracy, or should I say a blurry scam as what may be taking place behind the scenes (and oh yes I feel like a gulible sucker at 10 minutes into the trade)

5) Once the order is placed I sense the order isn't going to be filled ( I mean my observation is that it won;t be filled^&grin)...especially once I see the stock take the sharp u-turn back to $38 or so and my order is sitting unfilled at $40{eek3}...so I decide it's time for order modification and I'm willing to take some at $38 and place a change order to the $38. This is the point in my (observation) where things really get cookin. Once I place the change order it became a pending change order...for an hour I might add:mad: I lose my patience and get frustrated :mad::mad::mad:and now decide to do a cancel order...I'll show them say's the gulible one (me) :redface2: Well...that didn't go so well either as the change order became pending all day{eek3} Once the market closed the order fell back 30 minutes after the market closed to the original open order. So now there is a real issue...market is closed...it's Friday...and my order is open...which means come Monday I'm in the hands of the vulcher's with zero control over my money...this is certainly not a normal position and one I have never expirenced. COme pre-markeyt Monday I'm on the phone doing what I can to force a cancel (which I manged to accomplish) Now I'm nuetral and feeling better.

6) My final observation...o.k thought! Did the MM's even have shares to sell??? (please don't nobody chime in here and say regulation requires them to have some for sale...LOL!) Was the demand so much greater than the selling pressure then what they had predicted??? Since orders wern't being filled...then to me that equates to shares not being available. Their reasoning was too much volume which I say is hogwash...actual trading volume was around half a billion (573 million)...BofA has traded numerous day's with 1 Billion plus volume and didn't have a traffic jam...hmmm? The only ones left here are called bag holders, who will become the seller's because the buyers are soured and won't touch this again until the low 20's maybe high teens...I understand the institutions are going to have some buys sitting at $30 and $25 but that is all assuming they haven't already altered their own buy in points lower because of this mess?


Brad...all I need to know is that Mark Zuckerberg is smarter than you an me because we would have took the $$$Billion dollars offered years ago...right? But he didn't because he knows more than we do...with that said I will ride this company with a small investment $2-10K. For me any point into here is a fair chance but as greed will be I will try to aquire it at what appears to be a much lower entry point...had things been less fraudulent (that's what I'm calling it) then $40 would have been a fair entry for a flip and re-entry later for another flip before the December bomb!

The Financial Wizard!
"My signature is so wrong for this event/post that I may just need to change it!"

Wow, now I have one of those ice cream headaches...........anyway, I thought you had 200 grand laying around with all of those K & C flips you've done the past few years................

As others have pointed out, I wouldn't touch something like this with a ten foot pole; what exactly does Facebook do anyway? How about give every loony toon ex girlfriend of mine a place to now find me...............gee, thanks Facebook.

Love some of the conversations on there too; "I'm SO tired today"........."Yeah, me too"........."I think I'll have tuna for lunch today"............."Oh, that sounds great, where are you going for that, Panera?"................"No, I think I'll try the new Mongolian BBQ place down the street instead"...................

How exciting.
 
Wow, now I have one of those ice cream headaches...........anyway, I thought you had 200 grand laying around with all of those K & C flips you've done the past few years................

As others have pointed out, I wouldn't touch something like this with a ten foot pole; what exactly does Facebook do anyway? How about give every loony toon ex girlfriend of mine a place to now find me...............gee, thanks Facebook.

Love some of the conversations on there too; "I'm SO tired today"........."Yeah, me too"........."I think I'll have tuna for lunch today"............."Oh, that sounds great, where are you going for that, Panera?"................"No, I think I'll try the new Mongolian BBQ place down the street instead"...................

How exciting.

George, why so cynical about Facebook, you make it sound like the greatest company of the 21st century doesn't produce anything. Well, that's where you're wrong, very wrong, they're the greatest thing since Vandalay Industries (and you wanted to be my latex salesman ... I don't think so!). They produce millions, no tens of millions, hundreds of million of useless, brain-dead, moron lay-abouts who reside in their parents basements sipping lattes and sitting in front of the computer all day and night every day typing away feverishly. And what are they typing about ..... probably the very crap you mentioned .....^&grin What an enormously positive contribution to society. :rolleyes2:

B.
 
George, why so cynical about Facebook, you make it sound like the greatest company of the 21st century doesn't produce anything. Well, that's where you're wrong, very wrong, they're the greatest thing since Vandalay Industries (and you wanted to be my latex salesman ... I don't think so!). They produce millions, no tens of millions, hundreds of million of useless, brain-dead, moron lay-abouts who reside in their parents basements sipping lattes and sitting in front of the computer all day and night every day typing away feverishly. And what are they typing about ..... probably the very crap you mentioned .....^&grin What an enormously positive contribution to society. :rolleyes2:

B.

Wow, you must be like, sooo tired today Mr Crankypants. Go get yourself a Mongolian skipjack panini and report back with how you found it. {sm5}
 
George, why so cynical about Facebook, you make it sound like the greatest company of the 21st century doesn't produce anything. Well, that's where you're wrong, very wrong, they're the greatest thing since Vandalay Industries (and you wanted to be my latex salesman ... I don't think so!). They produce millions, no tens of millions, hundreds of million of useless, brain-dead, moron lay-abouts who reside in their parents basements sipping lattes and sitting in front of the computer all day and night every day typing away feverishly. And what are they typing about ..... probably the very crap you mentioned .....^&grin What an enormously positive contribution to society. :rolleyes2:

B.

Can I get that on a teeshirt?..........^&grin

What does Vandalay do anyway, import or export?........:wink2:
 
A few things to keep in mind...and I am being as objective as possible here (because I frankly have little use for a Facebook...those of you who have seen my face understand).

I know it is hard to accept, but we're all toy soldier guys...for the most part middle-aged and older men. We like the idea of tangible assets because that makes sense to us, but there is a reason many internet companies have done extremely well and continue to persist and grow. Look at the stock histories of Yahoo, Bing, and Google (all of which I have owned and all have done well). These are all good examples of companies that sell "air." But for companies like Yahoo, Google, Facebook, what they are really selling is advertising...is there any one person who doesn't know the names of these companies and used at least some of their products? Have you never clicked on a sponsored ad? Everytime you do, they make money. All of those millions of hits every day, and they make money...millions and millions.

The days of tangibles no longer insures a company's success, and absence of them does not negate their ability generatre enormous profits with unlimited potential for growth. I have no doubt that the Facebook stock will stabilize and begin to grow. You may not like pop music but it sells, and the buyers are young with disposible income. Facebook is particularly attractive to young adults caught up in the ever-consuming realm of social media, and once they are in...they most likely aren't leaving, and so the mean age of users continues to rise. It doesn't matter how inane the posts are...it just matters that they are using it. And where traffic is...advertising is...and that advertising is effective. So don't think of these companies as not having physical assets, they own the largest billboard in the world.

Markey...I am not entirely conviced that the problem with your stock purchase was an issue with Facebook as much as it may have been your online brokerage. I would be curious to know if others using different brokerages had similar issues.

I hope my thoughts have helped to resolve yet another world crisis.
 
Re: Facebook conspiracy therory...GEORGE!

George,

Your sarcasm is starting to stink...why not speak up and tell me what's wrong other than how I type?
 
Nichols,

Surely it wasn't just an issue with my online brokerage firm!

Shareholder suits have already been filed in New York and California. The State of Massachusetts has subpoenaed Morgan Stanley (MS), following reports that it allegedly only told a few of its best clients that its analyst was cutting his revenue outlook for the company. The entire underwriting syndicate — (GS), (JPM), (BAC), (BCS) — is being sued, as is Facebook's newlywed CEO and several board members. In addition, the Nasdaq (NDAQ) has also been sued, and the SEC and FINRA are launching investigations. Congressional hearings and probes can't be far off.
 
After seeing the news tonight, it seems you may be right. Perhaps there was no one in the IPO grassy knoll after all.

Nichols,

Surely it wasn't just an issue with my online brokerage firm!

Shareholder suits have already been filed in New York and California. The State of Massachusetts has subpoenaed Morgan Stanley (MS), following reports that it allegedly only told a few of its best clients that its analyst was cutting his revenue outlook for the company. The entire underwriting syndicate — (GS), (JPM), (BAC), (BCS) — is being sued, as is Facebook's newlywed CEO and several board members. In addition, the Nasdaq (NDAQ) has also been sued, and the SEC and FINRA are launching investigations. Congressional hearings and probes can't be far off.
 
The stock was overhyped, overvalued and oversold, simple as that. Not all investors had equal access to all information but it's not crystal clear that was violative of applicable laws. The GM pullback should have been a wake up call as the way FB makes money, unlike eBay, is suspect.
 
The stock was overhyped, overvalued and oversold, simple as that. Not all investors had equal access to all information but it's not crystal clear that was violative of applicable laws. The GM pullback should have been a wake up call as the way FB makes money, unlike eBay, is suspect.
Brad, My wife and I were discussing the possibility of a "what if" & "what would we do" if facebook started charging a fee for using it. We concluded that we would likely pay a fee...our reasoning is that we have family in different countries and we share pictures and stay close with them through FB. As well, I have kept very close with my long time friends using the simplicity and convienence of FB...this alone has value to us! I'm certainly not in favor of a fee but I'm just sayin! It's also spooky in magnitude should FB apply some sort of ap's/utilities to simplify our lives even more such as buying tickets, watching movies, sending gifts, watching family weddings in other countries live (hahah) paying bills/sending/receiving money "for free"...ect. I mean geez the savings in stamp's alone would cover a membership fee...especially so if we can ditch PAYPAL!!! So for starter's maybe FB could aquire PAYPAL & NETFLIX and then will go from there...LOL!
 

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