Falschirmjagers (1 Viewer)

[nasirkasmani]

either normandy or ardennes, i can't get enough of late war FJs.

if normandy, i prefer FJ tank hunter squads.

if ardennes, i would like FJ tank riders.

but Andy will decide himself, either way i can't lose.

 

[fmethorst]

Nasir,

Thanks for all the excellent pictures.

 

[nasirkasmani]

some nice pics of the KT, Panther,Hetzer and FJs in the Ardennes.

 

[nasirkasmani]

a bit more for ardennes

 

[debrito]

Hey Nasir, they are really good your pics, thanks for shared.

Rod.

 

[nasirkasmani]

well mate,

can't help it.

The bulge series is my favourite K&C series.

 

[Warrior]

Where do you find all of these awesome pictures Nas; thanks for sharing to say the least, love the drawing of the Panther and Jagdpanther in the forest.........

 

[lcdr1635]

The 82nd was up against the Fallschirmjager as well. Paratrooper vs. Paratrooper.

As was the 101st at Carentan and Bloody Gulch.

 

[Leadmen]

Nasir: Thanks for the neat pictures. They are good reference photos. I built and painted the Dragon kit shown. They make nice figures though 1/35 scale. I still do Dragon kits and just finished some AK figures and Tunisan paratroopers. Leadmen

 

[Normandy1944]

I would love to see Normandy Fallschirmjägers with a Pak 40

Harrie

 

[nasirkasmani]

For me the best part of collecting the FJs is that you can celebrate their valiant soldiery exploits without having doubts about their war time conduct.

And their exploits were recognized even by the Allies soldiers, who treated the FJs rather well in captivity, a fate not shared by their brothers in the Waffen SS.

 

[vandilay]

For me the best part of collecting the FJs is that you can celebrate their valiant soldiery exploits without having doubts about their war time conduct.

And their exploits were recognized even by the Allies soldiers, who treated the FJs rather well in captivity, a fate not shared by their brothers in the Waffen SS.

The new figures are nice figures , but you might struggle to convince a
native of crete about your first paragraph , even if not widely involved
in retribution they lead the way for those who where.

 

[nasirkasmani]

The new figures are nice figures , but you might struggle to convince a
native of crete about your first paragraph , even if not widely involved
in retribution they lead the way for those who where.

well mate, from what i've read the Cretans were heavily involved in killing the just-landed FJs, and from those FJs survivors, they identify and kill mostly all the brave Cretans who were seen attacking the FJs.

Nothing wrong with what the fearless Cretans did, but these Cretans, borrowing a phrase from US military, were enemy combatants, and were not protected under the Geneva Convention. Enemy combatants, as with spies and snipers, are denied the rights attributed to an enemy soldier.

The fate of enemy combatants, spies and snipers is simply summary execution. This is also practised by the Allies. A good example is the summary execution of Skarzony's men who disguised themselves as American Military Police during the Ardennes Offensive.

Even today, the US used the term enemy combatants to jail SUSPECTED Al Qaeda members for years without any trial or formal charge whatsoever.

I make the distinction of the FJs killing the attacking Cretans, to the awful charge pinned to some of the SS for the murder of unarmed surrendered troops, or rounding up civilians indiscriminately, or targeting the Jews.

Maybe i should rephrase my sentence -

For me the best part of collecting the FJs is that you can celebrate their valiant soldiery exploits, as after the Afrika Korps, the FJs most certainly have the cleanest war crime record for the German troops.

hope that settles it.

 

[vandilay]

Your spot on about the fierce Cretan resistance [defending their homeland from an invader], but reprisals where pretty Indiscrinate from what I,ve read.


Here is a transcript of the order issued by General Student on 31 may
[so after the allies had lost]


It is certain the the civilian population incl women and boys have taken part
In the fighting,committed sabotage, mutilated and killed wounded soldiers.
It is their for high time to combat all cases of this kind, to undertake reprisals
And punitive expeditions which must be carried through with exemplary terror
1/ shooting
2/fines
3/ total destruction of villagers by burning
4/Extermination of the male population of the territory in question

My authority will be necessary for measures 3 and 4. All these measures must, however be taken rapidly and ommititing all formalities.In view of the circumstances the troops have a right to this and there is no need for military tribunals to judge beasts and assasins.

End quote

I,m not sure the geneva convention would allow the above or any allied comanders issued any similar orders, [The beasts and assasins also incl women and children]

cheers

 

[nasirkasmani]

Your spot on about the fierce Cretan resistance [defending their homeland from an invader], but reprisals where pretty Indiscrinate from what I,ve read.


Here is a transcript of the order issued by General Student on 31 may
[so after the allies had lost]


It is certain the the civilian population incl women and boys have taken part
In the fighting,committed sabotage, mutilated and killed wounded soldiers.
It is their for high time to combat all cases of this kind, to undertake reprisals
And punitive expeditions which must be carried through with exemplary terror
1/ shooting
2/fines
3/ total destruction of villagers by burning
4/Extermination of the male population of the territory in question

My authority will be necessary for measures 3 and 4. All these measures must, however be taken rapidly and ommititing all formalities.In view of the circumstances the troops have a right to this and there is no need for military tribunals to judge beasts and assasins.

End quote

I,m not sure the geneva convention would allow the above or any allied comanders issued any similar orders, [The beasts and assasins also incl women and children]

cheers

in view of this startling piece of information, i will do a further reading on the Crete invasion.

thank you for passing this information.

as for the Allies reprisal conducts i won't go touch the Soviets.

as for the Western Allies, there were reports of reprisals against suspected civilian Wolf packs members (Goebbels sabotage teams) around Aachen i believe, but let me find the book and the quotes.

sincerely,

nasir kasmani.

 

[vandilay]

in view of this startling piece of information, i will do a further reading on the Crete invasion.

thank you for passing this information.

as for the Allies reprisal conducts i won't go touch the Soviets.

as for the Western Allies, there were reports of reprisals against suspected civilian Wolf packs members (Goebbels sabotage teams) around Aachen i believe, but let me find the book and the quotes.

sincerely,

nasir kasmani.

A good one I recently re read is 'Crete the Battle and the resistance'
by Anthony Beevor it covers the lead up to crete [so the ill fated greek campaign until the eventual German withdrawel from crete]
Regards Rob

 

[Rob]

I think the Cretians were very brave to come out of their homes and kill lone FJ's,especially when they must have known loads more were on the way and would probably seek revenge.I take my hat off to every citizen who put down their tools and took up arms against the Nazi invaders,from whatever country.The violent nature of the German regime meant that many of them and often their families paid a terrible price.I saw a tv prog some years back in which an old cretian resistance fighter showed the camera all the equipment he and his fellow villagers had stripped from fallen FJ's.There were pistols,grenades,mp40's and all of them in perfect working order!

As for FJ figures i'd love to see more,either for Crete or Normandy.However,i'm wondering if there will be time or room in Andy's schedule for more this year?.

Rob

 

[nasirkasmani]

I think the Cretians were very brave to come out of their homes and kill lone FJ's,especially when they must have known loads more were on the way and would probably seek revenge.I take my hat off to every citizen who put down their tools and took up arms against the Nazi invaders,from whatever country.The violent nature of the German regime meant that many of them and often their families paid a terrible price.I saw a tv prog some years back in which an old cretian resistance fighter showed the camera all the equipment he and his fellow villagers had stripped from fallen FJ's.There were pistols,grenades,mp40's and all of them in perfect working order!

As for FJ figures i'd love to see more,either for Crete or Normandy.However,i'm wondering if there will be time or room in Andy's schedule for more this year?.

Rob

Thanks Vandilay Rob, i'll definitely look that book up.

And you the other Rob, pls do not distract Andy from the Bulge series.

 

[Warrior]

FJ's in Normandy vs US infantry and tanks.........

 

[Warrior]

more............