First day of deer season in PA (1 Viewer)

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Well, today is the first day of deer season (actually, it's the first day of antlered and antlerless deer season, but not the first deer hunting season on Wildlife Management's calendar) and with between 850,000 and 900,000 people under arms in the field, Pennsylvania has the 9th largest army in the world.

Gotta love it! Many schools are closed, too; my old home district, for example, takes an in-service day, because so many kids would be out with their dads and uncles in the fields.

Here's to a good catch, prost!
Brad
 
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That is pretty neat, at least that is one thing from the past that remains constant! Not too many of those.

TD
 
Hunting and fishing are very popular here in PA, and big business for the outfitters, too. I know a guy who gets tags for archery season, as well as for the current deer season, plus some of the others. Another friend of mine is also a black powder enthusiast, as well as an archer, so he gets tags (licenses) for muzzle-loader season as well (between Christmas and New Year's). He also goes to musters, which are re-enactments of frontier life from the 1750's. He's made himself a rifleman's frock and leggings, from buckskin.

And deer are abundant here, thriving, with all of the food--they're not deep-woods animals, they are foragers who like the margins between woods and fields, and both rural crops and suburban and urban backyards are like a banquet to them.

Yes, if you live up here, and you like venison, it's worth it to take up hunting, or get to know someone who does ;)

Prost!
Brad
 
A neighbor friend of mine is out today. I am anxiously waiting to hear if there will be venison stew this week...
 
Well, today is the first day of deer season (actually, it's the first day of antlered and antlerless deer season, but not the first deer hunting season on Wildlife Management's calendar) and with between 850,000 and 900,000 people under arms in the field, Pennsylvania has the 9th largest army in the world.

Gotta love it! Many schools are closed, too; my old home district, for example, takes an in-service day, because so many kids would be out with their dads and uncles in the fields.

Here's to a good catch, prost!
Brad
Does this mean people will have to dress their cows in blze orange?
 
There are plenty in my backyard in case anyone wants to stop by. Those critters eat everything in sight. I do feel for them in a way. We've taken their land and crowded them out and where can they go?
 
There a few in the woods across the street from my house. They do eat alot of the plants around my house, but I agree with Brad they were here first, although venision does taste pretty good.
 
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There are plenty in my backyard in case anyone wants to stop by. Those critters eat everything in sight. I do feel for them in a way. We've taken their land and crowded them out and where can they go?

They can go right to the OVEN ! - Yum Yum ! :D
 
Actually, there are more whitetail on the continent now, than when the white man first arrived. We've provided more food for them (as noted above, planted fields, and home gardens), reduced or eliminated their natural predators (primarily wolves, coyotes and cougars), and those very planted fields, meadows and backyards serve the same function that the margins of forests do-quick access to food, and to escape when threatened. So I don't feel too bad for them.

Prost!
Brad
 
Actually, there are more whitetail on the continent now, than when the white man first arrived. We've provided more food for them (as noted above, planted fields, and home gardens), reduced or eliminated their natural predators (primarily wolves, coyotes and cougars), and those very planted fields, meadows and backyards serve the same function that the margins of forests do-quick access to food, and to escape when threatened. So I don't feel too bad for them.

Prost!
Brad

There's also now millions more humans in North America and on earth then there ever was in history - does that mean we should dedicate a day to go out and hunt humans for sport? The mind boggles at the justification some try to come up with for shooting animals for fun.

As to your assertion that there are more deer now than when white man arrived, well it's likely bogus. Back when white man arrived, the discipline of ecology didn't even exist, so neither did the proper methodology for population sampling. I'd love to hear exactly how a few poorly educated pioneers and fur traders on the east coast managed to estimate the total number of deer in all of North America when radio collars and airplanes were hundreds of years away from being invented.
 
There's also now millions more humans in North America and on earth then there ever was in history - does that mean we should dedicate a day to go out and hunt humans for sport? The mind boggles at the justification some try to come up with for shooting animals for fun.

As to your assertion that there are more deer now than when white man arrived, well it's likely bogus. Back when white man arrived, the discipline of ecology didn't even exist, so neither did the proper methodology for population sampling. I'd love to hear exactly how a few poorly educated pioneers and fur traders on the east coast managed to estimate the total number of deer in all of North America when radio collars and airplanes were hundreds of years away from being invented.
While I am not now a hunter, I was for many years in my youth. As long as hunting is well managed with programs which insure gun safety and hunting sanity, I agree with the legion of wild life managers that note its important function in managing populations and preventing the cruelty of animal deaths through starvation or greater numbers of vehicular encounters. The reduced area for wild populations is a fact of our development and the need to manage wild populations on the reduced wild foot print is anything but bogus.

As to hunting humans for sport, well that is what wars are for historically.;):D
 
There's also now millions more humans in North America and on earth then there ever was in history - does that mean we should dedicate a day to go out and hunt humans for sport? The mind boggles at the justification some try to come up with for shooting animals for fun.

As to your assertion that there are more deer now than when white man arrived, well it's likely bogus. Back when white man arrived, the discipline of ecology didn't even exist, so neither did the proper methodology for population sampling. I'd love to hear exactly how a few poorly educated pioneers and fur traders on the east coast managed to estimate the total number of deer in all of North America when radio collars and airplanes were hundreds of years away from being invented.

Well I just guess some of us are more civilized and would rather eat store-bought meat. Me, I'm not "super-civilized" I can't eat just flora yet, and I'm not allergic to dairy, wheat , nuts etc. When all humanity becomes super-civilized, we'll all be drones. :(
American Hunter Mike (I eat Fish after I kill them, also:))
 
While I am not now a hunter, I was for many years in my youth. As long as hunting is well managed with programs which insure gun safety and hunting sanity, I agree with the legion of wild life managers that note its important function in managing populations and preventing the cruelty of animal deaths through starvation or greater numbers of vehicular encounters. The reduced area for wild populations is a fact of our development and the need to manage wild populations on the reduced wild foot print is anything but bogus.

While I appreciate your comments, here's a few of my reasons I'm against many forms of hunting (as currently practiced):

1) The impact of hunting on the natural environment - the problem here arises because humans really don't have a clue what the heck they're doing when they try to manage wildlife populations, and historically they have failed almost every time they try. The profit motive (related to the big $$ from the hunting industry) often leads to higher quotas than are sustainable. As mentioned above, the main reason we have a lot of deer wandering around (at least in America - not a big problem in Canada) is because hunters killed all their natural predators (especially wolves). So let's see: hunters, who caused the problem in the first place, offer themselves up as the solution? I don't think so. With all the toxic lead shot they leave littered across the landscape one cannot argue they are the most efficient means to an end. Certainly human encroachment of habitat affects the balance of wildlife populations - but this problem needs to be solved at its root by rethinking our development patterns, not used as justification for humans further messing up the environment. I will say if you must hunt mammals, deer hunters are less problematic than those who shoot endangered wolves, bears and other big carnivores out of helicopters. Those hunters do not even have the wildlife overpopulation argument on their side.

2) Hunting is a sport, which means nowdays it is done for fun, unlike historically, when it was done for necessity. If I thought every hunter truly respected the animal he was killing (and the sacrifice it was making), I might have a different opinion but most hunting videos show a couple of drunk yahoos laughing their head off over the carcass of some magnificent buck that is ten times more impressive as a specimen of nature than they are. For humans to take pleasure in the death and suffering of another creature is not healthy or moral. Killing of any living creature should never be done for fun, because it's the first step towards psychopathy. The Romans used to think the Coliseum was grand fun, but now we view it as barbaric. The public opinion of hunting is shifting in that direction as well, especially concerning so-called canned-hunts (which occur in fenced areas) where the animals have no chance to escape.

3) Related to #2, hunting is not a controlled environment - while on one hand I respect archers for at least giving their quarry a better chance, I've read too many reports of half-wounded animals dragging themselves for miles with four arrows sticking out of them. Again, if all hunters were expert marksmen and could guarantee a super-quick kill I might have a different opinion (but my reservations about #2 would still apply). Slaughterhouses are far from perfect but at least they are a controlled environment where most animals are put down quickly using scientifically refined methods. And again, there is a difference between eating meat as a biological necessity and killing animals for fun. Related to this problem of no controlled environment, are human safety issues (ask Dick Cheney), property damage issues etc.

As to hunting humans for sport, well that is what wars are for historically.;):D

Well I guess that's one way of looking at a beneficial aspect of war. ;)

American Hunter Mike (I eat Fish after I kill them, also:))

Sport fishing I don't have a big problem with (as long as the quotas are sustainable, which they often are not) primarily because fish are much lower on the developmental totem pole than mammals. Mammals are almost as intelligent as us and can feel pain and fear exactly like us. Therefore I think we should do everything possible to spare them unnecessary cruelty. And there's no bullets flying around with fishing.

And before someone tries to link the hunting issue with the gun ownership issue, I have much less of a problem with people owning firearms, I just wish they'd practice their aim on paper targets or beer cans.
 
Killing of any living creature should never be done for fun, because it's the first step towards psychopathy
Really? I never picked up on that during my Psychology or Abnormal Psychology classes. This must be an opinion rather than what it appears to be:eek:
I guess we're not going to change your mind CS:( It really is fun being out in nature, even if you don't kill anything:)
Mike
 
Most hunters I know not only enjoy the challenge of the hunt but also eat their game. If my many hunter friends were just going out and blasting bambis I might agree it is a barbaric sport which should be banned. I enjoy shooting but don't like venison so I don't hunt.
 
Really? I never picked up on that during my Psychology or Abnormal Psychology classes. This must be an opinion rather than what it appears to be:eek:

The link is well established, especially between children who abuse animals, and who later grow up to be serial killers. First reference I could find:

"Is animal cruelty recognized as a sign of mental disorder?
Yes. In The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders
(DSM-IV), the American Psychiatric Association lists animal cruelty as
one of the behaviours signalling conduct disorder. Clinical evidence
indicates that animal cruelty is one of the symptoms usually seen at
the earliest stages of conduct disorder"
From pg. 7 of http://www.albertaspca.org/PDFs/FamilyViolenceBook.pdf

Which is ironic because the APA has more than its share of blood on its hands due to all the animal testing that goes on in its studies. Though I suppose at least the cruelty is in the name of science instead of sport/entertainment.

Look, I'm not saying that most hunters are lunatics. There is a long heritage that has developed around hunting in some regions (like Pennsylvania) that has simply made it a normal cultural pass time. I just wonder if some people (a minority) who are drawn to hunting, may be drawn for the wrong reasons. We'll never know what goes on the minds of some as they are pulling the trigger, but I hope it is never unbridled joy.

Don't you think it is hypocritical that the vast majority of civilized culture, would view it as mentally ill for someone to chase after a dog or cat, shoot it enough times until it hopefully dies, eat some of the remains, and then mount its decapitated head on their wall? Why then is another mammal like a deer fair game?

I guess we're not going to change your mind CS:( It really is fun being out in nature, even if you don't kill anything:)
Mike

That's okay Mike, it has been an interesting discussion anyway. I love being out in nature - but I find it is much more beautiful to watch when everything is alive running around in its natural state, rather than running for its life. :)
 

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