First Legion Figure Scale (2 Viewers)

[TomB]

Is the average FL figure scale 1/32 or 1/35 or a scale in between ?...using their picture as a guide it appears to me to be approx 1/32 scale or thereabouts.....as I have no FL figure's I can not judge their scale...I would like to do my figure's on a universal scale ...but...what is the most common scale for the average TS......from surfing the various TS suppliers 1/32 appears to be the norm, with some 1/30...but it appears a few people use 1/35 figure's for their AFV's because in some case's the AFV's are a tad too small for the figures of their choice...What is the figure of the future....1/32 or 1/30...any information on scale's is appreciated.. ...if FL is 1/32 that is fine and I will use that scale as FL appear to be in front of the field...cheers TomB

 

[Harper (aka Spitfrnd)]

Considering the 12 score or so I have I think they are pretty much 1/30 scale. Their weapons seem to be pretty close to that and their figure heights assuming an average 5' 10" person of two centuries or more ago would yield a scale in the 1/30 range. Some people consider WB 1/32 scale but they are the same height as FL figures for the lines I have or have seen. K&C and TG figures are larger, more a 1/28 scale using the same parameters. If you call K&C 1/30, then FL and WB would be 1/32 I suppose but I don't think that is correct.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Considering the 12 score or so I have I think they are pretty much 1/30 scale. Their weapons seem to be pretty close to that and their figure heights assuming an average 5' 10" person of two centuries or more ago would yield a scale in the 1/30 range. Some people consider WB 1/32 scale but they are the same height as FL figures for the lines I have or have seen. K&C and TG figures are larger, more a 1/28 scale using the same parameters. If you call K&C 1/30, then FL and WB would be 1/32 I suppose but I don't think that is correct.

That's why I think it very dangerous to scale figures because there is no standard size for a person either in height or body proportion (thickness). I agree that K&C figures are about 1:28 when compared to AFVs at 1:30 but AFVs measurements are known exactly so the comparison is more meaningful than a height measurement. I also agree that WB figures are close to some FL figures in size, but FL WWII figures are really 1:30 when compared to how they look next to 1:30 AFVs. The manufacturer's definition of size cannot be relied on because their size label can change and so can their figure size..

Terry

 

[Harper (aka Spitfrnd)]

That's why I think it very dangerous to scale figures because there is no standard size for a person either in height or body proportion (thickness). I agree that K&C figures are about 1:28 when compared to AFVs at 1:30 but AFVs measurements are known exactly so the comparison is more meaningful than a height measurement. I also agree that WB figures are close to some FL figures in size, but FL WWII figures are really 1:30 when compared to how they look next to 1:30 AFVs. The manufacturer's definition of size cannot be relied on because their size label can change and so can their figure size..

Terry

No doubt size can change but I can say I have been collecting FL Napoleonics since their first release and I have some from their latest release. I have noted only one change in that timeframe and that was a 2-4 mm height difference between the first and second release. The rest have been pretty dead on.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

No doubt size can change but I can say I have been collecting FL Napoleonics since their first release and I have some from their latest release. I have noted only one change in that timeframe and that was a 2-4 mm height difference between the first and second release. The rest have been pretty dead on.

That's exacty what happened to the FL Naps, and it was un-noticed by many. The change in size I was talking about is not within a range but between ranges. The FL ranges do not all have the same size figures. JJD has also varied figure sizes a little to match some of the WB series like War on the Nile. So when getting a new range from a manufacturer, it's best to compare first.

Terry

 

[Harper (aka Spitfrnd)]

That's exacty what happened to the FL Naps, and it was un-noticed by many. The change in size I was talking about is not within a range but between ranges. The FL ranges do not all have the same size figures. JJD has also varied figure sizes a little to match some of the WB series like War on the Nile. So when getting a new range from a manufacturer, it's best to compare first.

Terry

Its best to compare in all cases. I can also say that the Roman / Barbarian and Napoleonic FL figures are the same. To be clear the Napoleonic size change was only between the first and subsequent releases and that first release was not off by a great deal but it is noticeable. They were getting their feet wet with that first release and fortunately it was a relatively less important (Bavarian) protagonist. Funny you should mention JJD. Most of his releases are more K&C size but the Peninsula figures are FL size, which is fine with me since I like his Portuguese light troops.

 

[Gebhard]

Hi Tom ,
Since you don't yet own any First Legion figures can I ask what you do own ? Are you a scale Model Builder ? Factory ready made figure collector ? Connoisseur figure collector ? Kit figure builder and Painter ???? and could I also ask what era you collect and are looking to add First Legion to an existing collection ? With this information I would be better equipped to give you my thoughts as to what would work well for you. Thanks and regards Gebhard

 

[TomB]

Considering the 12 score or so I have I think they are pretty much 1/30 scale. Their weapons seem to be pretty close to that and their figure heights assuming an average 5' 10" person of two centuries or more ago would yield a scale in the 1/30 range. Some people consider WB 1/32 scale but they are the same height as FL figures for the lines I have or have seen. K&C and TG figures are larger, more a 1/28 scale using the same parameters. If you call K&C 1/30, then FL and WB would be 1/32 I suppose but I don't think that is correct.

Thank you for your reply,,,,,I think 1/32 would be most likely suit me best....TomB

 

[TomB]

That's why I think it very dangerous to scale figures because there is no standard size for a person either in height or body proportion (thickness). I agree that K&C figures are about 1:28 when compared to AFVs at 1:30 but AFVs measurements are known exactly so the comparison is more meaningful than a height measurement. I also agree that WB figures are close to some FL figures in size, but FL WWII figures are really 1:30 when compared to how they look next to 1:30 AFVs. The manufacturer's definition of size cannot be relied on because their size label can change and so can their figure size..

Terry

Thank you for your info...TomB

 

[TomB]

Hi Tom ,
Since you don't yet own any First Legion figures can I ask what you do own ? Are you a scale Model Builder ? Factory ready made figure collector ? Connoisseur figure collector ? Kit figure builder and Painter ???? and could I also ask what era you collect and are looking to add First Legion to an existing collection ? With this information I would be better equipped to give you my thoughts as to what would work well for you. Thanks and regards Gebhard

I do not collect but I think FL make very good figure's and am interested in what is their average scale....scale's seem to vary quiet a bit from the very helpful info supplied by members of this forum...I make my own figure's from sculpey...no particular period but whatever takes my interest at the time....it is a hobby to fill in time as I am retired....one day I may learn to cast so I would like my figure's to fit in with the average TS collectors figure's.....60mm is a good scale as they are easier for me to do but 54mm seems to be the norm....and if I ever cast figure's I dont wish to be the odd man out...if you understand what I mean.....any help would be appreciated...TomB

 

[artmabigor]

Hello to all,
I join in the discussion: Recently, a friend asked me the same questions at the scale FL / NAPS.
Without going into detail, I took pictures to better compare.
Napoleon on these photos is "a true 54mm brand ANDREA." (1/32)
Compare with FL (1/30), even though Napoleon was really small (1.68 m), the difference is undeniable ..
By cons, placed in front of or increase in my stagings, I think it fits perfectly.
Regarding references FL / NAPS last 5 years, there are only minor differences as in life: humans are bigger, bigger, leaner ...... .... etc..
Attached pictures of my explanations, better than long speeches ..
I hope this helps to answer these questions.
Best.
Guy.:salute::

 

[Vezzolf]

First Legion is consistently accurate TRUE 1:30th scale figures:salute:::salute::.......K/C is 1:28th......CS is 1:28th.... I think WB is closer to 1:30th not 1:32th (much variance).....I would say that Figarti is the closest to 1:32th scale sometimes:wink2:..... "Good Luck" trying to match figures from different manufacturers:rolleyes2:....If you really want consistency stick with "1" manufacturer within "1" historical era and you will be fine.{sm4}

 

[Rob]

Yeah good luck mixing figures from different producers guys. I don't do it with WW2 but someone should tell Bob.......

 

[The Military Workshop]

First Legion is consistently accurate TRUE 1:30th scale figures:salute:::salute::.......K/C is 1:28th......CS is 1:28th.... I think WB is closer to 1:30th not 1:32th (much variance).....I would say that Figarti is the closest to 1:32th scale sometimes:wink2:..... "Good Luck" trying to match figures from different manufacturers:rolleyes2:....If you really want consistency stick with "1" manufacturer within "1" historical era and you will be fine.{sm4}

Frank I am no expert on scale but it also appears you are not either. Regarding the consistently accurate TRUE 1:30th that you mentioned salute:::salute: you might want to refer to Matt's own words as follows :

The Waffen-SS are part of the WWII range so are of course consistent in size with our WWII figures. The Vietnam range is a totally different range with a totally different sculptor so Vietnam will be consistent with Vietnam, WWII with WWII, Napoleonics with Napoleonics etc... While we would of course love for every figure we ever make to be totally size consistent, with so many talented sculptors working on different ranges of hand produced products it just isn't possible unfortunately.

and the images of the WWII Germans next to the Vietnam figures posted elsewhere. Both cant be true 1:30th scale as you appear to be claiming. I think the point that Matt was making is that figures within the same series should be consistent and this applies to various brands. Most collectors don't mix different eras so for most it is a non issue. It would only be a concern if somebody was collecting say standing firing figures from the same brand across all their eras.

Hope that helps as your view that all FL is true 1/30 scale is simply not supported by photographic evidence and Matt's own words.

Regards
Brett

 

[Alex]

FL napoleonics are what I call 54mm figures...exactly the same as russian made figures (Aeroart,etc.) and exactly the same as most of Pegaso 54mm kits... now Andrea s kits, that's another story...

Frank I am no expert on scale but it also appears you are not either. Regarding the consistently accurate TRUE 1:30th that you mentioned salute:::salute: you might want to refer to Matt's own words as follows :

The Waffen-SS are part of the WWII range so are of course consistent in size with our WWII figures. The Vietnam range is a totally different range with a totally different sculptor so Vietnam will be consistent with Vietnam, WWII with WWII, Napoleonics with Napoleonics etc... While we would of course love for every figure we ever make to be totally size consistent, with so many talented sculptors working on different ranges of hand produced products it just isn't possible unfortunately.

and the images of the WWII Germans next to the Vietnam figures posted elsewhere. Both cant be true 1:30th scale as you appear to be claiming. I think the point that Matt was making is that figures within the same series should be consistent and this applies to various brands. Most collectors don't mix different eras so for most it is a non issue. It would only be a concern if somebody was collecting say standing firing figures from the same brand across all their eras.

Hope that helps as your view that all FL is true 1/30 scale is simply not supported by photographic evidence and Matt's own words.

Regards
Brett

 

[Vezzolf]

Frank I am no expert on scale but it also appears you are not either. Regarding the consistently accurate TRUE 1:30th that you mentioned salute:::salute: you might want to refer to Matt's own words as follows :

The Waffen-SS are part of the WWII range so are of course consistent in size with our WWII figures. The Vietnam range is a totally different range with a totally different sculptor so Vietnam will be consistent with Vietnam, WWII with WWII, Napoleonics with Napoleonics etc... While we would of course love for every figure we ever make to be totally size consistent, with so many talented sculptors working on different ranges of hand produced products it just isn't possible unfortunately.

and the images of the WWII Germans next to the Vietnam figures posted elsewhere. Both cant be true 1:30th scale as you appear to be claiming. I think the point that Matt was making is that figures within the same series should be consistent and this applies to various brands. Most collectors don't mix different eras so for most it is a non issue. It would only be a concern if somebody was collecting say standing firing figures from the same brand across all their eras.

Hope that helps as your view that all FL is true 1/30 scale is simply not supported by photographic evidence and Matt's own words.

Regards
Brett

No I think you have mis-interpreted Matt's post "Not a Surprise":rolleyes2:....First Legion is 1:30th scale.... there may be slight variances between different ranges but not way off.....What would you call them 1:28th??? Certainly not the case....except maybe the Vietman range???? As I don't have any I cannot be completely sure....At least FL makes every effort to be scale consistent i.e. 1:30th....they are the most consistent true 1;30th scale TS manufacturer out there today. They label their products accurately unlike most other TS manufacturers who are knowingly WAY OFF

 

[braddinpa]

Regardless what scale . I would never trade my FL SL or Civil War line. I think these are some of the finest soldiers out there. (and Armor too). But saying that. I think the Britains Civil war size does fit the FL scale perfect.

 

[TomB]

Hello to all,
I join in the discussion: Recently, a friend asked me the same questions at the scale FL / NAPS.
Without going into detail, I took pictures to better compare.
Napoleon on these photos is "a true 54mm brand ANDREA." (1/32)
Compare with FL (1/30), even though Napoleon was really small (1.68 m), the difference is undeniable ..
By cons, placed in front of or increase in my stagings, I think it fits perfectly.
Regarding references FL / NAPS last 5 years, there are only minor differences as in life: humans are bigger, bigger, leaner ...... .... etc..
Attached pictures of my explanations, better than long speeches ..
I hope this helps to answer these questions.
Best.
Guy.:salute::

Beautiful figure's regardless of scale...TomB

 

[TomB]

No I think you have mis-interpreted Matt's post "Not a Surprise":rolleyes2:....First Legion is 1:30th scale.... there may be slight variances between different ranges but not way off.....What would you call them 1:28th??? Certainly not the case....except maybe the Vietman range???? As I don't have any I cannot be completely sure....At least FL makes every effort to be scale consistent i.e. 1:30th....they are the most consistent true 1;30th scale TS manufacturer out there today. They label their products accurately unlike most other TS manufacturers who are WAY OFF

Thank you for the above....I take it FL is 1/30...thank you ....that is what I wanted to know....and thanks to all whom have added to the scale question...appreciated ....TomB.

 

[Harper (aka Spitfrnd)]

FL napoleonics are what I call 54mm figures...exactly the same as russian made figures (Aeroart,etc.) and exactly the same as most of Pegaso 54mm kits... now Andrea s kits, that's another story...

I have found that it depends on the convention you are using for measurement. If it is from the soles to the eyes, a convention I have seen many figure modelers use, then yes FL and Aeroart are 54mm-56mm. If it is to the top of the head, add approximately 4mm, which would make them both 58-60mm. How that fits with scale could be the subject of a treatise but I still think 1/30 fits them more closely than any other scale reference. Whatever you call it, as Artmabigor's photos show, the Napoleonic line has indeed been consistent once it started.