First Legion Panther Pics (1 Viewer)

Hunter Rose

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Here's some pics of the First Legion Panther. Nice model.

First pics are of the stock model and then a couple with the Dietrich Key symbol and extra Balkenkreuz on the hull removed (that I did not like for historical accuracy reasons).


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Whats with the thin black outline between the different colors? The tone of Green on the Jagdpanther and Tiger I looks better than the bright Green on the Panther G IMO. The Brown and Yellow look correct. The detail is excellent.
 
Whats with the thin black outline between the different colors? The tone of Green on the Jagdpanther and Tiger I looks better than the bright Green on the Panther G IMO. The Brown and Yellow look correct. The detail is excellent.

I don't think it's a black outline. It looks like there's an indented line on the model as a guide for the painters doing the camo work.
 
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I don't think it's a black outline. It looks like there's an indented line on the model as a guide for the painters doing the camo work.

HR said in his review that it appeared to be an indentation but that he ran a fingernail over it and discovered it's not indented but outlined.

Joe
 
HR said in his review that it appeared to be an indentation but that he ran a fingernail over it and discovered it's not indented but outlined.

Joe

Thanks for the info. - Where is HR's review? I would like to read it
 
Thanks for the info. - Where is HR's review? I would like to read it

It's over on the Hobby Bunker forums.

The technical reviews with all the historical minutiae go over better there. They delve into the nitty gritty of historical accurracy including unit specific markings, paint colors and camo patterns, rivet counting of the Panther, etc.

I tend to post the technical reviews on Hobby Bunker and just pictures here. If there's interest here in more technical oriented reviews let me know and I can start putting them up here as well.
 
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Thanks for your response.... I for one would appreciate reading your thorough review here on this forum.
 
The color tones on mine are very good. Not robust and more of a subdued. Very pleased. The first pic on the side of the turret represents a good photo of the actual green. Second pic it turned out brighter, which it's not.



 
Hunter; I would be interested in your opinion of how the FL and Figarti Panther G compare in quality and detail.
 
The color tones on mine are very good. Not robust and more of a subdued. Very pleased. The first pic on the side of the turret represents a good photo of the actual green. Second pic it turned out brighter, which it's not.

Mine looks like that in real life. Your pictures are just better than mine. The lighting in my office is not the best.
 
Hunter; I would be interested in your opinion of how the FL and Figarti Panther G compare in quality and detail.

Not that the Figarti model is lacking in detail, but the detail is better and more crisp on the FL model. The stock paint job and weathering is much better on the FL model IMO (especially now that I removed the Dietrich Key symbol). I'm fine displaying the FL Panther as is (although there is always room for improvement). I prefer the Figarti model for my custom repaints because of the price difference, but also because I am not satisfied with the standard Figarti paint job.

I like the overall turret dimensions/chin mantlet on the Figarti model better, but think everything else is as good or better done on the FL model.
 
Thanks for your response.... I for one would appreciate reading your thorough review here on this forum.

OK, you asked for it...:salute::

Disclaimer: I am a Panther/historical accuracy nut so these reviews are always given with what I would want on my perfect Panther model. Here's my post with a couple extra points added from a previous thread when the preview pics first came out:



The FL Panther arrived as well. A warning up front, I am a Panther nut and a rivet counter. This review will go into some minutiae. You have been forewarned.

Overall impression: it is an extremely nice model, but not perfect. My critiques are mainly things that only other Panther enthusiasts would pick up on. Mainly small details specific to certain assembly firms that have been incorrectly mashed together.

It's not an LAH Panther (incorrect #302 historical reference used to model this one that is likely a 2. Pz.div. tank). LAH only had Panthers in their 1st and 2nd Companies during the Bulge. The turret numbers would have started with 1 or 2 in the standard German numbering convention and were broken stenciled black numbers with white outlines. Also, LAH did not have Panthers with chin mantlets or flame suppressing mufflers based off all the well documented historical pictures and Panther delivery dates for LAH's re-fit prior to the Bulge. I wish FL had not put the Dietrich Key symbol on the front glacis, as then it would have worked fine as-is for different units since it is an accurate detailed configuration of a late production Panther Ausf G.


So here are my thoughts (and pics as always):


Panther Ausf G Features

- excellent detail that is extremely crisp. This is always FL's strong point.

- All the details like chin mantlet, flame suppressing mufflers, etc. are correct for a late model Ausf G. The rings on the turret for mounting camouflage means it was assembled by either MAN or MNH starting in late Dec '44. Daimler Benz did not add rings to the turrets.

- I really like some of the finer detail touches like the working gun travel lock (very cool feature and something I always wished Figarti had done) as well the IR preparation on the sides of the turret. The detail work is very nice and has lot's of cool subtle touches.

- interior detail on driver/radio operator's hatches is very well done and the tracks are hollowed out and the drive sprocket fits into them.

- the mantlet looks a few mm too narrow to my eyes. It only stands out when viewed directly from the front. I'll have to measure it later to be sure. I like the Figarti mantlet proportions better.

- hull ball machine-gun, like the Tiger, is centered and it lacks the hole for the optical sight. With all the other small details FL does it would be nice if they would add this one.

Paint Job / Markings

- Tri-camo colors are acceptable. The Rotbraun and Olivgrun is good and in the range of historical examples (although I personally would have preferred the Olivgrun shade from the Tiger). The Dunkelgelb is also acceptable, although a little light and with a slight yellowish undertone to the beige color.

- I am a little disappointed in the Dunkelgelb choice though, since the Panzershrek on the Bulge SS figure is an excellent shade of Dunkelgelb. Matt, please use this shade of Dunkelgelb on your vehicles going forward.

- Very well done camouflage paint scheme. It's an excellent recreation of a factory Daimler Benz pattern and historically accurrate. However, Daimler Benz never mounted rings on the turret sides, so the model and paint scheme technically don't go together. If a Daimler Benz tank, it should have bolts on the rear angled portions of the turret for mounting road wheels.

- FL painted the weld marks on the rear angles of the turret black for some reason (I'm guessing the factory thought these were viewports or something). They should just be painted camo.

- Balkenkreuz placement is wrong/just too many of them. For late production Panthers there were specific locations used by each of the assembly firms. MAN and MNH both placed balkenkreuz on the turret sides, but when they did they did not also place them at the forward hull sides. Daimler Benz placed Balkenkreuz on the center right hull and forward left hull under the tools rack. Later DB moved them aft to the front of where the track links hung on the hull sides.

- One thing I don't like is how FL outlined the different camo sections with lines when painting it on the tank. Some sections almost look like there is an indent in the plates such that I had to run my finger over it to ensure it was smooth. To me this is a case of getting too fancy with the paint techniques and it sacrifices realism for fancy painting. It makes the Panther look like it's a model rather than a shrunk down tank.

Summary

- Really nice model that with some tweaks could be much more historically accurate and realistic looking. Use the Dunkelgelb shade from the Panzerschrek on the Bulge figure for future tanks.

- Now that I removed the Dietrich Key and extra Balkenkreuz on the forward hull sides I am happy with it. That makes it the only 1/30 Panther yet I've kept with it's factory paint job.

- The Panther needs some removable schurzen panels, since the mounts are already detailed and crafted on the model. The JJD Jagdpanther schurzen panels almost fit, the holes are just slightly too small and slightly offset. Hopefully future releases have some removable schurzen as they're just rectangular panels with squares cut out to mount them and should be extremely easy/cheap to add.

- While not perfect, most of my critiques are stuff the average collector would likely never even notice and aimed at making future improvements to this model. The model itself is nice enough that I am keeping mine and looking forward to seeing what the next two Panthers will look like. I'm hoping the winter version looks more like the winter Sherman than the winter Tiger.
 
Thanks for reposting your review onto this forum, much appreciated. I don't have a big Military Miniature budget, so I only get a few of the more expensive vehicles a year. Presently torn between the JJD Jagdpanther and the new FL Panther. I think it will have to be one or the other.
 
One thing I have noticed on the FL Panther is the oversize machine gun mount; when compared to either the Figarti Panther G or the JJD Jagdpanther. The blac ring around the base is rather strange too. Great review and photos hinter!


Not that the Figarti model is lacking in detail, but the detail is better and more crisp on the FL model. The stock paint job and weathering is much better on the FL model IMO (especially now that I removed the Dietrich Key symbol). I'm fine displaying the FL Panther as is (although there is always room for improvement). I prefer the Figarti model for my custom repaints because of the price difference, but also because I am not satisfied with the standard Figarti paint job.

I like the overall turret dimensions/chin mantlet on the Figarti model better, but think everything else is as good or better done on the FL model.
 
It recalls in many aspects the CS panther in my opinion.
 
It recalls in many aspects the CS panther in my opinion.

Really? I'm gonna have to go back and look, because I just can't imagine a CS AFV being comparable to a FL one in any way.



Joe
 
I think Poppo is referring to the bilious green color TCS used on their original Panther; which is similar to the green FL used. The contrast with the rather bright yellow is picturesque IMO.

Really? I'm gonna have to go back and look, because I just can't imagine a CS AFV being comparable to a FL one in any way.



Joe
 
Really? I'm gonna have to go back and look, because I just can't imagine a CS AFV being comparable to a FL one in any way.



Joe



Well, sure a dogma can't be discussed {sm4}..... This is my repainted one, but many elements are very similar...And the CS has the engine visible :p:wink2:



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