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Another round of our visit with JJ at Hobby Bunker yesterday.....This time a look at some future Jacobite releases. Note the close and in your face hand to hand,

And a question for you to ponder.......John related that the Jacobite series was a response to an anotomical (sp) restriction he encountered while sculpting a prior series. Doing the Jacobites released him to push the envelope on his sculpting skills to dramitise body positioning. Anyone care to venture what was the series and the restriction that went with it??

Answer later.........meantime here are some more photos

Walt Damon
 

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and one last thing........the flag will most likely be in resin..not metal...kind of a test to see how it works out
 
Those are great hand to hand combat figures....I would buy a couple of those......thanks so much for the preview photos Damon.

That is one long sword...really......unusually long.:eek:...I love it.

I have always had trouble with flag bearers toppling on even the slightest uneven groundwork...so resin might be an answer.

Would the anatomical answer by under the kilts?:D:D
 
MIKE.
You are going to get some awesome sets for Jacobite Rebellion even some grenadiers and nice close combat scenes. Keep up the good work.
 
MIKE.
You are going to get some awesome sets for Jacobite Rebellion even some grenadiers and nice close combat scenes. Keep up the good work.

Aurele...I just sent you an email telling you to look at these...pretty cool huh?
 
Hello Damon,

please let me know if you have already posted the photos about the new F&IW sets.
Thanks
 
I will do an individual thread for the F&IW stuff tonite (can you say prisoners). Off to a client in Hartford or I would it now..... so like they say.......NEWS AT 11

WHD
 
Those are extremely good looking sets.
Thanks for the pictures again and the nice surprise.
When we all were talking about the new "Gordon" series I didn't really expect anything else. Thought that were the news and that's it.
Now I am looking forward to tonight since you said that there are even more pictures coming up for the FIW.
Thanks again!
Konrad
 
These are fantastic figures. I was hoping for a different standard bearer as well as the Scot with the two-handed sword. Can't wait for the release. -- lancer
 
I will do an individual thread for the F&IW stuff tonite (can you say prisoners). Off to a client in Hartford or I would it now..... so like they say.......NEWS AT 11

WHD

Can you say prisoners???????


WHD...I had sent John this email a while back.......

"John............

You asked if I had any ideas.........I really think this would be well accepted.

Indian raids........colonial captures......prisoners for St. Francis.

I would love figures of an Indian raid and capture.

Indian raids........a St. Francis Abenaki's staple........kept for preservation of the tribe or sold to the French.

Could be used in a raid diorama, a return home diorama or a return through the wilderness trip diorama.

Doesn't have to be a woman........a child would be as poignantly disturbing, lol......if not more so, even a male prisoner.

I would go well with your canoes.

Maybe one of each........a brave dragging and another brave carrying, both a woman and child.

Perhaps a wounded or dead Colonial male from defending his family and overrun.

The Abenakis on some raids stole entire families.........Sussanah Johnson and children..........Fort #4.

Well documented in many stories.

"The White Devil"...........by Stephen Brumwell.

Maybe even accompanying figures of a small war party returning with their captives.

Another staple of the Abenaki's was the "running of the gauntlet" of captured males prisoners when returning to St. Francis.

Gruesome but true.

Running the gauntlet was a way of life.

Quite a few figures you do with this idea if it's not too unsettling.

Just an idea.......I really think it would be well received.......I would like it anyway.

Take care and best wishes,

Michael"

I hope it's something down these lines...thanks again for the photos.
 
Hi Mike,
you got some interesting suggestions there.
Here is one I would like to see in miniatures.
Painting by Robert Griffing "The Taking of Mary Jemison".
Konrad
 

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Hi Mike,
you got some interesting suggestions there.
Here is one I would like to see in miniatures.
Painting by Robert Griffing "The Taking of Mary Jemison".
Konrad

Great photo Konrad...I love Robert Griffings work...it's so graphic....thanks for that photo.

If it's a prisoner set.....I can't imagine any other series except Snow Shoes and he has already done that...but by the same token...he has done a prisoner set for St. Francis too (the canoe set)...so we will just have to wait and see.

When Rogers raided St. Francis...there were several non-ethnic Indians living there among the Abernakis...some who accompanied Rogers on their trip back...so I can't imagine what else it would be.

Cumberland was nicknamed "The Butcher" and the order of the day at Culloden Moore was "no quarter".

Chippewa...I'm not sure about prisoners...but I don't remember reading about them...which make me almost positive it would be St. Francis...we will see.
 
and one last thing........the flag will most likely be in resin..not metal...kind of a test to see how it works out

I have always intended to replace the JJ flags with paper flags such as those by the Flag Man as they would be more true scale thickness. So will the resin flag be as thick as the lead flags.

Don't get me wrong John makes lead flags as good as any, but they always seem to thick to my eye.
 
The first colors John gave us in this series was for the Stewarts of Appin. Anyone know what clan this new flag is with?
 
The first colors John gave us in this series was for the Stewarts of Appin. Anyone know what clan this new flag is with?

You guess is as good as mine...............

Jacobite Banners at Culloden
In response to a question from Jesús del Campo, "Do you know about the banners of the Jacobites at Culloden battle?":

Most of the flags of the Pretender's army that were captured at Culloden were burnt by the public hangman in Edinburgh. A list was made of those flags, but only contains brief descriptions:

"a white silk colour with the Stewarts arms [and the motto] God Save the King" The arms are presumably those of the U.K., rather than just Scotland, since the whole Kingdom was being claimed. This may have been the colour of the Prince's Lifeguard of Foot.
"a large plain white colour, said to be the standard" A completely plain flag as the Prince's standard?? Another account refers to the standard as being red with a central white square.
"a white colour with a blue saltire" Just possibly, this may have been carried by the Second Battalion of Atholl's Brigade under James Spalding of Glenkirchie, but the Spalding arms are blue and yellow. The First Battalion of the same brigade under Archibald Menzies of Shian are known to have carried white colours with red saltires, from the colours of the Menzies arms.
"a white silk colour St. Andrew's cross in the canton" Possibly carried by a contingent of the Bannerman family.
"a white linen colour, motto Terrores Furio" Attributed to the Chisholm family at the time.
"a blue silk colour with the Lovat arms [and the motto] Sine Sanguine Victor" These are not the colours or motto of Lord Fraser of Lovat; they may be those of his second-in-command, and the man who led the clan on the day, Charles Fraser of Inverallochie.
"one of Lord Lovat's camp colours" No other description survives.
"a blue colour [with the motto] Sursum Tendo" Possibly belonging to the 2nd battalion of Ogilvy's Regiment, commanded by Sir james Kinloch - the colours are same as the Kinloch arms and the motto is similar.
"a blue colour [with the motto] Commit The Work To God" Unknown. the motto is that of the Sinclair family, but none are known to have been out with the Prince.
"a white linen colour belonging to the Farquharsons" No other description survives; the family arms were red and yellow; the motto was Fide Et Fortitudine.
Other colours known from this period are:
- Prince's Lifeguards of Horse carried a guidon taken from Gardiner's Dragoons at the battle of Falkirk. It may have been green; it certainly bore the motto Britons Strike Home.

Cameron of Lochiel's contingent: a red flag with a central green square which bore the full arms of the family, including crest and supporters
Gordon of Glenbucket's contingent: white with the arms of the Marques of Huntly in the centre (Glenbucket was Huntly's lieutenant colonel in the 1715 Rising).
Lord Ogilvy's regiment: blue with a white saltire that does not reach the corners of the sheet; in the top quadrant a white scroll with Nemo Me Impune Lacessit in black and gold letters, above a thistle in natural colours.
Stewart of Appin's regiment: blue with a yellow saltire, the colours coming from the family arms
A discussion about the list of burnt colours and other Jacobite flags appears in Military Illustrated number 38 (1991) pp.39-45
Ian Sumner, 15 March 2000
 
A red flag marks the Jacobite line and a yellow flag marks the English line where the soldiers stood before charging. Culloden battlefield, also known as Drummossie Moor, is a wide flat bog land. It's wet and squishy with peat and water stands in places. Mountains lie in the blue, misty distance. Heather, thistles and other short scrubby plants grow here. Many of them were in bloom. I tried to imagine how difficult hand to hand combat would be in such a place if it was the same in the mid 1700s. Tripping over the foot tall scrubby bushes and plants would have been easy. The wind seemed to be blowing constantly while we were here and it seems a sad lonely place. But very beautiful.

I have read a couple of links that claim there is insufficient historical records to confirm what flags were present at Culloden Moor as most were captured by British forces and never documented.
 
The first colors John gave us in this series was for the Stewarts of Appin. Anyone know what clan this new flag is with?
The flag appears to be the Camerons, as illustrated on page 10-11 of the Osprey title "Culloden Moor 1746". -- lancer
 
The flag appears to be the Camerons, as illustrated on page 10-11 of the Osprey title "Culloden Moor 1746". -- lancer

That would make sense since it was the Camerons and Stewarts of Appin who charged home into Barrells 4th Rgmt.
 

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