FWI - Mixing the 44th, Rangers Highlanders and Indians. (1 Viewer)

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For those making dioramas, depicting Highlanders in a skirmish against Indians would not be inaccurate. Mixing Rangers and Highlanders, either the 42nd or the 78th, with the 44th would also historically accurate.

Letters from Loudon to Cumberland clearly indicate that the 42nd, 44th, 48th and a battalion of the 60th were at Fort Edward in October 1756. This would be 10 months prior to the Fall of Fort William Henry and over 19 months prior to Ticonderoga. Construction of Fort William Henry would have only started the previous month.

In Late Fall of 1756, the garrison at Fort William Henry reverted from colonial troops to British regulars, the 44th regiment under the recently promoted Major Eyre (about 5 companies of the 44th). Included with the British Regulars, there were 2 companies of Rangers – paid directly by the British Army, not colonial governments.

In April 1757, this first garrison of British Regulars at Fort William Henry was relieved by Colonial Monro of the 35th. Colonel Monro arrived with 2 companies of the 35th, 2 new companies of the 44th, 2 companies of the 48th and a company of the Fraser’s Highlands, 78th. The men of the 44th, 48th and the 78th were soon withdrawn and replaced by 4 additional companies of the 35th and 2 Independent New York companies (British Regulars).

The distance between Fort Edward and Fort William Henry is about 12 miles. So we know we have patrols and columns of the 42nd, 44th, 60th and 78th in the vicinity of both Fort Edward and Fort William Henry in 1756 and 1757.

Following the Battle of Carillon in July 1758 (Ticonderoga), there were a number of large skirmishes and attacks on British columns moving between Lake George and Fort Edward and between Albany and Fort Edward by French Militias, French Marines and Indian war parties. The french indian allies arrived several days after the Battle of Ticonderoga and were eager to get a piece of the retreating/defeated British. One attack by the French/Indians decimated a 44-wagon supply column heading north from Fort Edward --- 80 prisoners . Most of the column were civilian drovers about 150, but 50 British soldiers had been assigned as escort. About 240 oxen were in the column. These were large war parties numbering several hundred french/indians.

Let your imagination run and enjoy.
 
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FRAXIMUS...............
Thanks for info. That is good information to work on other dioramas.
 
Following the Battle of Carillon in July 1758 (Ticonderoga), there were a number of large skirmishes and attacks on British columns moving between Lake George and Fort Edward and between Albany and Fort Edward by French Militias, French Marines and Indian war parties. The french indian allies arrived several days after the Battle of Ticonderoga and were eager to get a piece of the retreating/defeated British. One attack by the French/Indians decimated a 44-wagon supply column heading north from Fort Edward --- 80 prisoners . Most of the column were civilian drovers about 150, but 50 British soldiers had been assigned as escort. About 240 oxen were in the column. These were large war parties numbering several hundred french/indians.

Let your imagination run and enjoy.

This is interesting...so basically...even though only a handful of Indians were present at Carillion...we can mix and match pretty much as we please...thank you Ken...
 
This is interesting...so basically...even though only a handful of Indians were present at Carillion...we can mix and match pretty much as we please...thank you Ken...

You can't have a battle in this war without some indians.:)^&grin
Mark
 
As part of a french marine/militia column several hundred Indians allied to the french arrived at Ticonderoga about 3 or 4 days after the battle. After Ticonderoga, these fresh forces struck at british columns in the vicinity of Lake George and Fort Edward for the remainder of the summer before returning to Canada. Much more than a handful.

Many of the attacks occurred on the 12-mile road between Fort Edward and Fort William Henry (burnt the previous year). Along this road, the British had a number of simple stockade posts to serve a shelter and strongpoints. There was even a tavern. The british needed to keep a screening and scouting force north of Fort Edward and it was these forces that were engaged. The french even attacked british columns south of Fort Edward.
 
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You can't have a battle in this war without some indians.:)^&grin
Mark

Hehehe...so true...good allies of the French...I have read in several places that at Carillion...there were no Indians present...I have also read that there were 8-11 Indians (a handful) present...a contradiction...anybody know for sure which it was...
 
Osprey's Order of Battle for Ticonderoga includes 15 Indians on the French side for the actual Battle.

I am happy with that number.
 
Althought the vast majority of the indians allied to the french arrived a few days after the Battle of Ticonderoga, the number of french allied Indians involved in skirmishes and small battles immediately following Ticonderoga was considerable. Captain Luc de la Corne led largest french raiding party - 200 Canadians and 400 Indians. On July 24th, this is the raiding party that ambushed the 44-wagon supply train moving along the Fort Edward Road taking over 100 scalps and 80 prisoners. There were about a dozen woman and children in this British column. Among the items burnt/destroyed were some of Abercromby's personal papers, possessions including his music.

Some of the french raiding parties included french regulars as volunteers. Captain Joseph Marin de la Malque raiding party consisted of 50 french regular volunteers, 100 canadians and 150 Indians.

Throughout the rest of the summer each side set strong patrols against the other. Ambercromby responded by sending at a large force of 650 men under Rogers and Putnam - 400 rangers, 150 of the 80th light infantry, and 100 british regular volunteers to Lake George and the South End of Lake Champlain in an attempt to intercept the french raiding parties. This ranger lead force ran into a french ambush. The british had 49 killed, 40 wounded and 5 captured. Captain Putnam (Ranger) was captured but survived thanks to a French officer. The French lost about 12 killed and 10 wounded.

Even Ensign Langy (Shoeshoes) was roaming the woods leading a french raiding party around the south end of Lake George.

The point I am trying to make is that we are free to mix many of John's releases and still maintain our "historical" accuracy. Many of the the raid of St. Francis sets, BoM sets, Quebec sets can be used with Ticonderoga sets. The Fort Edward Road apparently had a number of small wooden stockades/depots that would seem to be good fits for the Saint Francis Stockade, ranger huts and cabins. On July 21st, a party of 300 British manage to take refuge in one of the Fort Edward Road stockades/depots after losing 24 dead and 10 prisoners in an ambush.

So after all this, what is number 1 on my want list ----- Oxen Wagon !!!!
 
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