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tdubel

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Ok, I just can't place which small English Maker made this one. I have seen the figure a number of times, but maybe someone on here has too and remembers exactly who made it. It is some type of clergy. At first I thought it was small maker Present Arms, but the base and face are wrong. It is not S&S Miniatures either. Just can't place it and any help greatly appreciated!

Tom

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Yeah, not Present Arms!, who's not an English maker, in any case. Present Arms! was started by Fred Klotz, and included sets depicting the Imperial German Army in 1914. His series was "Off to the Front! August 1914". The sets depicted the army marching off, with civilians cheering them on. Fred based many of the poses on photos taken at the time.

One set of civilian spectators included a pastor, but he was dressed in an alb and stole, with a biretta.

This figure looks like it's supposed to be a chaplain, but it doesn't look much like a German army chaplain of the time. His coat is too dark, for one thing, and the chaplains didn't wear the dog collar. Their frock coats were field gray, with a single row of buttons down the front, and with a stand collar, or a stand-and-fall collar. They also wore a crucifix on a long chain around their necks, which was hooked onto a button on the frock coat so that it rested breast-high. They also wore a small cross pin or badge on their caps, sometimes on the crown, with the cockades below, or between the cockades. They didn't usually wear belts with the frock, or lace on their cuffs.

Here are some images to illustrate:









I do have to concede that I don't have any info on what the chaplain's uniform looked like before 1910, when the field grey uniform was first implemented. Not in Pietsch's "Formation and Uniform History", nor in the cigarette card album, "Uniforms of the Old Army. That makes me curious to do some research on that. It might have been blue, but it might have been black, like a civilian clergyman. In Frederick the Great's army, that was how the chaplains dressed.

It might be a chaplain from another European army. I did find an image of a Swiss chaplain circa 1894, whose uniform is similar in cut and color, though not exactly the same:



But it might be from the Belgian or Dutch armies, for example, or the Danish.

But I'm fairly confident it's not German, and I can't say who made it.

I don't know if that helps, but maybe it gets the ball rolling.

Prost!
Brad
 
This thread has started me on a project to get more details about Prussian/German chaplains up to 1910, when the field grey uniform was implemented.

I have references describing chaplains in Frederick the Great's army, when the chaplain wore a uniform that was very similar to a civilian clergyman's habit. And after 1910, chaplains had the frock I described previously. It reached about to the calves, and had a single row of buttons. But I have nothing on what they wore, from 1806 up to 1910. Did they wear a clergyman's robes appropriate to their faith (Lutheran or Catholic, and Russian Orthodox, too)? Did they wear something like the frock, and if so, was it black, or Prussian blue?

None of my references even mention the chaplains. Some web searches have turned up photos that suggest that they did wear a clergyman's robes for much of the period, and that the military frock was a much more recent idea.

The search continues...

Prost!
Brad
 
What is the world coming to if the Baron is stumped?
 
Brad
you got the country, I agree. I have seen this darn figure before and the style and base. It is a glossy maker but I just can't place it. It is driving me nuts!
Tom
 

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