Grant Or Lee (1 Viewer)

To get back to the original premise of the thread ...;)

As I sit here in Orlando with other pastors from around the country, we talk a lot about leadership. What makes an effective leader?

There are two competing thoughts. Some think that leadership is about being the one in charge. The leader makes all the decisions - the subordinates are there to feed the leader data and to carry our instructions. Sounds a lot like Grant.

Another style of leadership involved empowering the subordinates. The task here is to inspire others to be leaders themselves. While general directions may come from the leader, the specific way that decisions are made lands in the lap of the the subordinate who is closer to the situation. Sounds a lot like Lee.

Which style works better? In the church, shared leadership is preferred hands down. While there are some bozos who like to be dictator of their small domain, effective pastors learn to be leaders of the leaders.

But what about military leadership? If a leader has competant subordinates, then Lee's style is preferable. The subordinates are closer to the situation at hand (i.e. they know the ground they are fighting for), and thus they can make better decisions on the fly. No time is wasted waiting for word to get back to the head honcho for their words of wisdom. In how many wars did a general behind the lines look at a map and decide to attack without ever scoping out the actual ground for himself when a subordinate knew full well that to attack was a grave mistake?! There's no question that Lee had very competant generals under him, and he utilized them well.

But what if they don't have the greatest subordinates? If the leader can't trust people under them to do the job, then they get to take all the rsponsibility themselves. Grant seems to fall in this category. Many of the generals in the eastern theater owed their commissions to something other than competant leadership! It should be noted that Grant allowed Sherman quite a bit of latitude (much more than he gave Meade) - so perhaps he too would have realized that competant subordinates should be given more responsibility.

Just a thought.

Pete
 
Peter

You know the only problem with Grant is that he was a Yankee :D

Sorry, couldnt pass that one up. :rolleyes:

Ron
 
Ron,do you visit many of the ACW sites?.I've been to America several times but its normally Ariz,Calif or Nevada.One day hope to visit Gettysburg,Antietam etc.

Rob
 
Ron,do you visit many of the ACW sites?.I've been to America several times but its normally Ariz,Calif or Nevada.One day hope to visit Gettysburg,Antietam etc.

Rob


Rob:

Actually, I do visit them a lot. Sometimes even take it for granted because so many of them are so close to Washington, DC.

I have been to all the major battlefieds - many, many times - and it always a rush when I am there. Gettysburg is a real experience and I have even ran the "Pickets Charge" with a buddy of mine. We made it all the way to the Stone Wall and Clump of Trees and we started bayoneting all the Union Soldiers - other vistors to the park thought we were nuts. Hahaha - it was a load of fun. A lot to see and do in the town of Gettysburg.

Antietam is a great park and has a great visitor center - but very litttle in the town. I have the King and Country complete Civil War Set (with a few Britains mixed in) and the rocks in my display are from the High Cliff were the GA Sharpshooters were and the River rocks are from the actual river rocks near Burnsides Bridge. I will try to take a photo of it for you.

Ron
 
Rob:

Actually, I do visit them a lot. Sometimes even take it for granted because so many of them are so close to Washington, DC.

I have been to all the major battlefieds - many, many times - and it always a rush when I am there. Gettysburg is a real experience and I have even ran the "Pickets Charge" with a buddy of mine. We made it all the way to the Stone Wall and Clump of Trees and we started bayoneting all the Union Soldiers - other vistors to the park thought we were nuts. Hahaha - it was a load of fun. A lot to see and do in the town of Gettysburg.

Antietam is a great park and has a great visitor center - but very litttle in the town. I have the King and Country complete Civil War Set (with a few Britains mixed in) and the rocks in my display are from the High Cliff were the GA Sharpshooters were and the River rocks are from the actual river rocks near Burnsides Bridge. I will try to take a photo of it for you.

Ron
Ron I think you have incriminated yourself. You are not supposed to remove anything from a Federal Park, artifacts, plants or rocks are to be left in an undisturbed state. The removal of any of them is a federal crime. Now if you sent me your ACW collection I might not rat you out. Black mail is such an ugly word, accurate but ugly I much more prefer extortion it sounds more professional don't you think. Just kidding !!!!!
 
Ron I think you have incriminated yourself. You are not supposed to remove anything from a Federal Park, artifacts, plants or rocks are to be left in an undisturbed state. The removal of any of them is a federal crime. Now if you sent me your ACW collection I might not rat you out. Black mail is such an ugly word, accurate but ugly I much more prefer extortion it sounds more professional don't you think. Just kidding !!!!!

Shiloh, I wouldn't call it blackmail, how 'bout just saying you're "lobbying" for Ron's collection, sounds oh so much nicer, not to mention legal.:rolleyes:

Fred
 
Ron I think you have incriminated yourself. You are not supposed to remove anything from a Federal Park, artifacts, plants or rocks are to be left in an undisturbed state. The removal of any of them is a federal crime. Now if you sent me your ACW collection I might not rat you out. Black mail is such an ugly word, accurate but ugly I much more prefer extortion it sounds more professional don't you think. Just kidding !!!!!

Shiloh:

I have little stickers under each rock that says: "Made in China" :eek:

I am covered...:D
 
boot51 excellent ideal and it does sound so much more acceptable. Almost as a public service. Ron dude you are far to slick to be a regular Joe. What are you NSA, CIA, FBI or KFC? I wonder? Just remember I got my eye ;) on you.
 
boot51 excellent ideal and it does sound so much more acceptable. Almost as a public service. Ron dude you are far to slick to be a regular Joe. What are you NSA, CIA, FBI or KFC? I wonder? Just remember I got my eye ;) on you.

Just a simple lobbyist making his way in the big world. :D

Really, I could tell you - but, then I would have to kill you :eek:
 

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