Household Cavalry Art Exhibition (1 Viewer)

[Martin Tabony]

http://www.thefield.co.uk/news/5323..._Barracks_Knightsbridge_23rd__26th_April.html

 

[theBaron]

Thanks for the link, Martin!

I wonder if there is anything on the early years of the units. I'm tracking down info on the 1st Troop of Horse Grenadiers, circa 1740 to 1756. There's an image of the 2nd Troop, but so far, I haven't found any of the 1st Troop and can only conjecture on the uniform details.

Prost!
Brad

 

[Ken & Ericka Osen/H&A Studio]

Thanks for the link... I wonder if their will be a catalog published for the collection.
Ken

 

[Martin Tabony]

Thanks for the link... I wonder if their will be a catalog published for the collection.
Ken

I've just asked and am awaiting a reply. To be honest though I think it's all about keeping cost down so that more can go to operational casualties funding. I would like to see some prints produced though (even Blues!).

Martin

 

[Martin Tabony]

Thanks for the link, Martin!

I wonder if there is anything on the early years of the units. I'm tracking down info on the 1st Troop of Horse Grenadiers, circa 1740 to 1756. There's an image of the 2nd Troop, but so far, I haven't found any of the 1st Troop and can only conjecture on the uniform details.

Prost!
Brad

Will this do ? From Charles Staddens book on The Life Guards.
Martin

 

[theBaron]

Martin, that is wicked awesome! Thanks, yes, that is a big help!

Prost!
Brad

 

[theBaron]

From what I've read on the Net, each troop originated as a grenadier troop attached to the individual Household cavalry regiments, much the same way that the dragoon regiments each had a grenadier troop. And that by the time of the Seven Years War, they were detached, as 1st Troop, 2nd Troop, and so on of Horse Grenadier Guards. I also recall reading something along the lines that each troop's colors corresponded to those of the parent regiment. I've seen an image out there of the 2nd Troop's uniform, but so far, not the 1st.

This will be a big help, Martin. I have a Stadden 54mm Horse Grenadier, and I suspect that the casting is intended to represent a grenadier of the 1st Troop. That got me start on my search.

I've also pre-ordered Carl Franklin's book on the British Army uniforms from Amazon, and I think it covers all 4 Horse Grenadier troops.

Again, thanks very much, Martin, this is a breakthrough for me!

Prost!
Brad

 

[Martin Tabony]

From what I've read on the Net, each troop originated as a grenadier troop attached to the individual Household cavalry regiments, much the same way that the dragoon regiments each had a grenadier troop. And that by the time of the Seven Years War, they were detached, as 1st Troop, 2nd Troop, and so on of Horse Grenadier Guards. I also recall reading something along the lines that each troop's colors corresponded to those of the parent regiment. I've seen an image out there of the 2nd Troop's uniform, but so far, not the 1st.

This will be a big help, Martin. I have a Stadden 54mm Horse Grenadier, and I suspect that the casting is intended to represent a grenadier of the 1st Troop. That got me start on my search.

I've also pre-ordered Carl Franklin's book on the British Army uniforms from Amazon, and I think it covers all 4 Horse Grenadier troops.

Again, thanks very much, Martin, this is a breakthrough for me!

Prost!
Brad

If you ever get to have a look through Horseguards arch, take a look at the stone colums where the sentry stands. There are names and dates carved in the stone frone the 1740s and 50s (and 1980s!)

Martin

 

[johnnybach]

Hi Brad and Martin - I was interested in the thread - so took a peek. I have some illustrations saved from the web, of some of the uniforms you were interested in Brad - so have reproduced them below. They are described as after Morier 1751 (Original in the Royal Collection, at Windsor - I believe). Both illustrations were labelled "Privates" - though shouldn't this be Troopers?

The first one is of the 1st Troop, Horse grenadier Guards c.1751

Next - below is 2nd Troop, c.1751 and below that, is detail of the Mitre Cap of 2nd Troop. Is this what you're after? If not - just ignore them. jb

Lastly is this one from Richard Simkin in one of my books - showing both Troops - but am not sure whether he gets the caps correct here - but at least shows the rest of the uniform off.

 

[theBaron]

Thank you both, gentlemen, this is of immense help! Drinks are on me whenever we meet!

Here is the figure I have, by the way, on the left side in these photos:



The other is a dragoon, also from the Seven Years War. They're in progress right now, and now I can finish the horse grenadier properly.

Thanks again very much, prost!
Brad

 

[Martin Tabony]

Firstly there will be a catalogue but only on entry to the exhibition (proceeds to regimental funds).

Secondly, the term Trooper is actually quite modern. Pay slips still show rank as Private (whether Trooper, Rifleman, Fusilier or Craftsman). I was told that Private originated with the term "Private Gentleman" Although not always gentlemen I believe it meant an unbonded free man, so free to take the King's shilling.

Martin

 

[Martin Tabony]

A bit more from BFBS

http://www.bfbs.com/news/uk/new-exhibition-launches-military-charity-56693.html

 

[Martin Tabony]

More coverage by Horse and Country. The Lance Sergeant that is mentioned, is a foot guards officers groom. The foot guards horses are kept in our stables.

Martin

http://www.horseandcountry.tv/episode/household-cavalrys-art-exhibition