Issue of Accuracy (2 Viewers)

[Fitzgibbon]

Yes it has. It's certainly a distinct style.

Indeed easily identified .

 

[Fitzgibbon]

The JJD Jagdpanther is also compatible in my opinion with the Britains, Kronprinz and FL 60mm figures. I also found that the HB figures (my HB Panthers tank crews) are also compatible with my JJD Jag as well as my Figarti armour, FL Tiger and most of my TG armour.

Tom

And a nice job you make of those dioramas Tom. I've often been frustrated (diorama makers are just frustrated movie directors ) by the difficulty in making a credible scene with all soldiers six foot; and when it comes to photographs where you try to represent something large in perspective, you have to go down the back yard to get far enough away to get a compromise shot with a telephoto lens. It is a price we pay to accept the unlifelike - one size fits all? This is not an accurate representation of real life at all. If it's not 1/30 unless it's 60mm, how do we make a call on accuracy in children and women Figurines? Etc. etc.

 

[Fitzgibbon]

Wayne; First Legion and W. Britains WWII figures measure from 58 to 62mm from top of base to top of head. K&C, TCS and TG WWII figures measure from 65 to 68mm. 1/30 scale is a 60mm tall figure. FL, WB and Kronprinze WWII figures are the correct size IMO. TCS, K&C and TG WWII figures are oversize and about 1/28 scale. The 60mm figures as measured are the most size compatible with Figarti, TG and Honor Bound Armor, which comprises most of my collection.
The popularity of FL WWII figures and Armor is based on their size compatibility and the realism that results plus their high quality.

Having just comefrom the operating theatre, where I sweated on accuracy and statistics coming out in my favour, I noted that the surgical team ranged in height from around 5 feet to 6 foot three - let's say 1500 to 1900 for simplicity's sake. They would need to be represented by 50 to 63mm Figurines to have accuracy.

 

[Mirof]

Measuring in scale, can not be compared to size

Scale :
you wrote 1/30 = to 60mm !!!

Let's see : Napoléon must then be 56,33mm . Also in a same army in parade you must have fig from 53,5mm to 63,mm ( 1,60m to 1,90m )...
Allas this interpretation (1/30 = 60mm) allows everyting, some forget the scale and work on the size but wich one ? Sole to top of a shaved skull, or sole of the shoes to top of hat ?

If scale is used everything must be reduced the same way ( here ) by 30; tanks, cars, horses, men, hats, chairs, tables, ducks ........

Size :
as a rule by consensus, borns end 50ies early 60ies, size 54mm was understood as sole of the feet to middle of the eyes .
I still have Labayen, Lasset, Sanderson, Hincliffe, Stadden, Hinton-Hunt, Phoenix, Imrie, Vallance, Vaillant, Realmodel .... they are all 54mm to the eyes
Today, with so many suppliers ( big and small, ( more than 1200 existing ) confusion is total .

Myself, I don't care, I just buy what I like .
Best

 

[Fitzgibbon]

Indeed easily identified .

I take a size 60 hat so enough of big head jokes already . And the hospital team left me in stitches...so laughter is out

 

[Hunter Rose]

Katana, One thing that is amazing is First Legion claims their WWII range is 1/30 scale. K&C , TG, CS also claim 1/30 scale but the First Legion figures seem
tiny compared to the other 3 brands.My own preference is the size offered by the other 3 brands. Seems to be 3 to 1 here on depiction in size ?

Wayne

Scale is just a simple math ratio.

K&C, TG, TCS figures are only 1/30 scale if they are meant to represent a human between 6'7" and 7'2" tall and weighing 275-350 pounds.

Using a 1/28 ratio brings these figures into the realm of anatomical reality for humans. Coincidentally all the new K&C vehicles scale out between 1-28 and 1/29 in size. So the figures seem to now be consistent with the vehicles.

 

[Fitzgibbon]

Scale is just a simple math ratio.

K&C, TG, TCS figures are only 1/30 scale if they are meant to represent a human between 6'7" and 7'2" tall and weighing 275-350 pounds.

Using a 1/28 ratio brings these figures into the realm of anatomical reality for humans. Coincidentally all the new K&C vehicles scale out between 1-28 and 1/29 in size. So the figures seem to now be consistent with the vehicles.

Way cool; something novel in thread number 253 of scales. Weights! The original scales of weights and measures to combat the sneaky adulteration of precious metal. Not sure how you got to that range of weights but how compatible are the vehicle weights? Perhaps for objectivity, you could try a poll on what people want in weight of material. That might give you a perspective on the most important point - what the consumer wants. I would be interested because I would like to see more not less diversity - everyone has an agenda.

 

[TomNT]

And a nice job you make of those dioramas Tom. I've often been frustrated (diorama makers are just frustrated movie directors ) by the difficulty in making a credible scene with all soldiers six foot; and when it comes to photographs where you try to represent something large in perspective, you have to go down the back yard to get far enough away to get a compromise shot with a telephoto lens. It is a price we pay to accept the unlifelike - one size fits all? This is not an accurate representation of real life at all. If it's not 1/30 unless it's 60mm, how do we make a call on accuracy in children and women Figurines? Etc. etc.

Thanks Bob about my dio's and as far as 60mm figures go per 1/30 scale, yes it is a little confusing with women and kiddies. All i'll say is that I believe (in my humble opinion) that HB, WB, Kronprinz and FL figures go very well scale wise with Figarti, JJD, TG and even ED (Eagle Design) armoured and soft skinned vehicles.

Tom

 

[King & Country]

Thanks Bob about my dio's and as far as 60mm figures go per 1/30 scale, yes it is a little confusing with women and kiddies. All i'll say is that I believe (in my humble opinion) that HB, WB, Kronprinz and FL figures go very well scale wise with Figarti, JJD, TG and even ED (Eagle Design) armoured and soft skinned vehicles.

Tom

Hi Guys,
Just to add my own 'tuppence worth'... and also in my own humble opinion...

King & Country fighting vehicles go very well with King & Country figures...Which is always what I intended in the first place.

Best wishes and enjoy whatever you collect for whatever reasons...in whatever scale you personally prefer, Andy.

 

[katana]

The same comment applies to TCS Armor and figures Andy; althogh I think they are a better match than K&C Armor and figures. K&C Armor is usually about 1/30 scale by actual measurement. K&C WWII Figures in my collection seem to be 1/28 scale or 65 to 68 mm tall by actual measurement. The TSC Armor and Figures are both 1/28 scale. I find K&C, TCS and TG figures are all size compatible and fit best with the TCS 1/28 scale Armor IMO.

The sad thing is all Toy Soldier manufacturers advertise their products as 1/30 scale or 60 mm and only WB, FL and Kronprinze meet that standard. Figarti, K&C FL JJD and TG all make 1/30 scale Armor except for some odd pieces or older pieces that were made in 1/32 scale.

Hi Guys,
Just to add my own 'tuppence worth'... and also in my own humble opinion...

King & Country fighting vehicles go very well with King & Country figures...Which is always what I intended in the first place.

Best wishes and enjoy whatever you collect for whatever reasons...in whatever scale you personally prefer, Andy.

 

[King & Country]

The same comment applies to TCS Armor and figures Andy; althogh I think they are a better match than K&C Armor and figures. K&C Armor is usually about 1/30 scale by actual measurement. K&C WWII Figures in my collection seem to be 1/28 scale or 65 to 68 mm tall by actual measurement. The TSC Armor and Figures are both 1/28 scale. I find K&C, TCS and TG figures are all size compatible and fit best with the TCS 1/28 scale Armor IMO.

The sad thing is all Toy Soldier manufacturers advertise their products as 1/30 scale or 60 mm and only WB, FL and Kronprinze meet that standard. Figarti, K&C FL JJD and TG all make 1/30 scale Armor except for some odd pieces or older pieces that were made in 1/32 scale.

Nothing sad about it my friend, you say K&C Armour is usually about !:30 scale (some others might disagree with you on that point... I happen to agree with you).

We do our best to supply figures that go well with our armour and other vehicles...and most of the time they do appear to go very well together...Occasionally however, we get it wrong as every company does also) but, in general, the vast majority of K&C collectors if they like what they see...they buy it and add it to their collection.

In my own personal collection I have an eclectic and diverse range of subject matter and, God forbid, items in a variety of different sizes (not too different though but still different) from several different companies...

Why did I buy them..?
Simply because I liked them...pure and simple.

Buy all means allow every collector to set his or her own preferred size/scale parameters...Let's not though be dictated to by the 'Scale Nazis" on what we 'must' / 'must not' collect or buy.


Just my personal thoughts...Have a great weekend!
Andy.

 

[zblang]

“Why did I buy them?....simply because I liked them”

Exactly my collecting philosophy!!!!

 

[jazzeum]

“Why did I buy them?....simply because I liked them”

Exactly my collecting philosophy!!!!

And mine.

I never particularly worry about scale. For example, I have a small WWI collection from a variety of matte makers, plus a few glossy. Scalewise, they're probably a mess but I have never worried about that. As long as they look good is my only concern.

Brad

 

[katana]

Andy; I find the term Scale Nazi a bit harsh. I think the term "Realist" would be more accurate and less Ad Hominem IMO. A realistic diorama requires size compatibility between figures no matter what scale they are. I have your excellent 10cm field gun and crew displayed with a TG PAK 40 and crew in a DAK diorama and both sets are size compatible and look very realistic together along side a K&C Panzer II and a NMA Sd.Kfz. 231. The three companies products provide a unique combination of figures in a display not possible with the products of a single manufacturer.