Jefferson Davis (1 Viewer)

[Scott]

MY own view on Davis is that he's interesting as an artifact of history rather than a relic. It's the way I look on Confederate uniforms, flags, etc. as objects of interest rather than veneration. My limited readings on Davis the man, tell men that he was an honorable and brave man. I'd still rather privately speak with me like Lincoln, or Franklin, Nathan B. Forrest or Jefferson rather than Davis, Lee, or Stone Wall Jackson.

 

[boerboy]

MY own view on Davis is that he's interesting as an artifact of history rather than a relic. It's the way I look on Confederate uniforms, flags, etc. as objects of interest rather than veneration. My limited readings on Davis the man, tell men that he was an honorable and brave man. I'd still rather privately speak with me like Lincoln, or Franklin, Nathan B. Forrest or Jefferson rather than Davis, Lee, or Stone Wall Jackson.

Interesting point. I just wonder if you look on UNION uniforms, flags, etc the same way you do on CONFEDERATE ? ^&grin

 

[Scott]

Interesting point. I just wonder if you look on UNION uniforms, flags, etc the same way you do on CONFEDERATE ? ^&grin

Ha!! Not to the point of veneration but that are the artifacts of the "good guys." Like Allied WW II artifacts. Axis stuff retains...something. (Brrrr..)

 

[Scott]

Excuse me, It's my day off but I am at the call of others...

Poor Davis. When I look for quotes I only get snatches from his speeches and there is little that is warm , uplifting or brief.

 

[Poppo]

When I was a kid in the 1970s , there was a wonderful "biography book" series in my elementary school library (which was huge by the way) that included George Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson, it also included Lee and Stonewall Jackson. Today, the latter two have been pulled and are banned from inclusion. Additionally, in my son's elementary school, the library is one small room. That should tell you something in general.

It is a shame, really.

Tom[/QUOTE]



Interesting demonstration of censorship on school books. And not because Lee nor Jackson can be considered " evil": indeed, in all countries, let' s say "Hitler" takes a large place in history school books.

So, this need of censorship comes by the admission of integrity of these characters...But, due to lack of historical arguments, they prefer not to talk about...

 

[Scott]

I've recently been to various bookstores at NPS sites. Plenty of books for kids on Confederate Heroes. I'd have to see some sources if books and stories of these people have been officially withdrawn from public schools. I HAVE seen more kid's books on women and minority heroes when I looked for books for my kids.

 

[boerboy]

I guess General Grant himself would disagree with some arguments in this thread {sm4}. He served with many of his "enemies" in the Mexican War ( including General Lee) and always treated them with a great respect just read his book " Personal Memoirs of U. S. Grant"... It's really surprise me when some people compare "Brother against brother" war with Allied vs Axis powers in WW2. Could not you really see the difference?

I would recomment to read "The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Civil War" by HW Croker.

In The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Civil War Crocker profiles eminent--and colorful--military generals including the noble Lee, the controversial Sherman, the indefatigable Grant, the legendary Stonewall Jackson, and the notorious Nathan Bedford Forrest. He also includes thought-provoking chapters such as "The Civil War in Sixteen Battles You Should Know" and the most devastatingly politically incorrect chapter of all, "What If the South Had Won?" Along the way, he reveals a huge number of little-known truths, including why Robert E. Lee had a higher regard for African Americans than Lincoln did; how, if there had been no Civil War, the South would have abolished slavery peaceably (as every other country in the Western Hemisphere did in the nineteenth century); and how the Confederate States of America might have helped the Allies win World War I sooner. Bet your history professor never told you:
* Leading Northern generals--like McClellan and Sherman--hated abolitionists
* Bombing people "back to the Stone Age" got its start with the Federal siege of Vicksburg
* General Sherman professed not to know which was "the greater evil": slavery or democracy
* Stonewall Jackson founded a Sunday school for slaves where he taught them how to read
* General James Longstreet fought the Battle of Sharpsburg in his carpet slippers

I would also recommend a book "If The South Had Won The Civil War "by MacKinlay Kantor as an interesting fictional alternative of the Civil War result {sm4}

 

[Poppo]

I guess General Grant himself would disagree with some arguments in this thread {sm4}. He served with many of his "enemies" in the Mexican War ( including General Lee) and always treated them with a great respect just read his book " Personal Memoirs of U. S. Grant"... It's really surprise me when some people compare "Brother against brother" war with Allied vs Axis powers in WW2. Could not you really see the difference?

I would recomment to read "The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Civil War" by HW Croker.

In The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Civil War Crocker profiles eminent--and colorful--military generals including the noble Lee, the controversial Sherman, the indefatigable Grant, the legendary Stonewall Jackson, and the notorious Nathan Bedford Forrest. He also includes thought-provoking chapters such as "The Civil War in Sixteen Battles You Should Know" and the most devastatingly politically incorrect chapter of all, "What If the South Had Won?" Along the way, he reveals a huge number of little-known truths, including why Robert E. Lee had a higher regard for African Americans than Lincoln did; how, if there had been no Civil War, the South would have abolished slavery peaceably (as every other country in the Western Hemisphere did in the nineteenth century); and how the Confederate States of America might have helped the Allies win World War I sooner. Bet your history professor never told you:
* Leading Northern generals--like McClellan and Sherman--hated abolitionists
* Bombing people "back to the Stone Age" got its start with the Federal siege of Vicksburg
* General Sherman professed not to know which was "the greater evil": slavery or democracy
* Stonewall Jackson founded a Sunday school for slaves where he taught them how to read
* General James Longstreet fought the Battle of Sharpsburg in his carpet slippers

I would also recommend a book "If The South Had Won The Civil War "by MacKinlay Kantor as an interesting fictional alternative of the Civil War result {sm4}

Very interesting post Boerboy, thank you !


I also think that the South would have abolished slavery peaceably (as every other country in the Western Hemisphere did in the nineteenth century).
But Lincoln didn't ask the south lo leave the "peculiar institution", he just wanted them to come back to the Union..

 

[Scott]

............................. Bet your history professor never told you:
* Leading Northern generals--like McClellan and Sherman--hated abolitionists
* Bombing people "back to the Stone Age" got its start with the Federal siege of Vicksburg
* General Sherman professed not to know which was "the greater evil": slavery or democracy
* Stonewall Jackson founded a Sunday school for slaves where he taught them how to read
* General James Longstreet fought the Battle of Sharpsburg in his carpet slippers

I would also recommend a book "If The South Had Won The Civil War "by MacKinlay Kantor as an interesting fictional alternative of the Civil War result {sm4}

My history professors just taught the important subjects.

 

[Scott]

"Stonewall Jackson founded a Sunday school for slaves where he taught them how to read "

http://www.vmi.edu/archives.aspx?id=9269

[h=5]About this Document[/h] Date: 1858 June 7 (#2) Item: Letter To: John Lyle Campbell From: Thomas J. Jackson Place: Lexington, Virginia

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This letter describes the operation of the Sunday School that Jackson established for Lexington's black population (slaves and freemen) in 1855. Enrollment ranged from 80 to 100, and students included both adults and children. John Lyle Campbell was a Professor at Washington College, a friend, and a fellow member of the Lexington Presbyterian Church. Lexington, Va. June 7th/58 Dear Sir, In compliance with your request I proceed to give you a statement respecting the condition of the Lexington Colored Sabbath School. But in doing so, I feel it unnecessary to say more than a few words, as you are already acquainted with its leading features. The school is usually opened by singing part of a hymn, which should be announced the previous Sabbath. This is followed by reading one or more verses from the Bible, with explanations & applications; this is succeeded by prayer. After this each class is instructed by its teacher from the Bible, catechism and hymn book. At the close of the school which is near forty five minutes from the opening, there is a public examination on two verses of the child catechism, published by our Board. These verses should be announced the previous Sabbath. After the close of the examination, the school is dismissed, the remaining part of the opening hymn having been sung immediately after the examination. The system of reward you are acquainted with, and the premiums so far have been near a dozen Testaments and one Bible. The day of their presentation is the first Sabbath of each month. Several scholars are studying the shorter catechism at the present time. Each teacher keeps a class book in which is noted each scholar's department in school. The lesson should be taught one Sabbath, with a view to examination & mark on the next. Each teacher at the close of the month give me a circular (blanks having been furnished) exhibiting for each scholar the manner in which the lesson has been prepared, the conduct in school, no. of lates, absences, &c. From these circulars, I make a monthly entry in the record book, which contains not only the no. of lates & absences, but also the names of the teachers, scholars, owners, persons with whom the scholars are living, the lates & absences of teachers, and a weekly record of the proceedings of the school. By reference to the record book, I find 91 to be the no. of scholars there reported. Praying that the S. school convention may be a great blessing to the cause & to yourself I remain your attached friend. T. J. Jackson Prof. J. L. Campbell

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