John Ford's Cavalry on the Move (1 Viewer)

Hi Andy and the " experts on the plain campaigns of 1851 to 1880"....
A quick comment that although does give the overall set a lot of colour would not be 100% accurate, unless the detachment were abandoning their famous outpost......
Not sure that the American Flag and other flags were carried out when a Company went into patrol. I have the impression that they would only carry the company identification! I know that we grew up with great many Hollywood films of the Far West and the famous Apache vrs 7th Cavalry style movies....but many were the historical inaccuracies in them....
Cheers
A_C
King & Country said:
Hi Guys,
Here's a little "preview" for the weekend of a column of "JFC" moving out...
Have a good one!
Andy​
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Artillery_crazy said:
Hi Andy and the " experts on the plain campaigns of 1851 to 1880"....
A quick comment that although does give the overall set a lot of colour would not be 100% accurate, unless the detachment were abandoning their famous outpost......
Not sure that the American Flag and other flags were carried out when a Company went into patrol. I have the impression that they would only carry the company identification! I know that we grew up with great many Hollywood films of the Far West and the famous Apache vrs 7th Cavalry style movies....but many were the historical inaccuracies in them....
Cheers
A_C
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I'd have to agree and disagree!

If Andy is depicting a regiment in march, the National and Regimental Colours would be quite accurate... There is a rumor (probably true in my opinion) that Custer's 7th lost their Regimental Colour at Little Bighorn, after all!
 
Artillery_crazy said:
Hi Andy and the " experts on the plain campaigns of 1851 to 1880"....
A quick comment that although does give the overall set a lot of colour would not be 100% accurate, unless the detachment were abandoning their famous outpost......
Not sure that the American Flag and other flags were carried out when a Company went into patrol. I have the impression that they would only carry the company identification! I know that we grew up with great many Hollywood films of the Far West and the famous Apache vrs 7th Cavalry style movies....but many were the historical inaccuracies in them....
Cheers
A_C
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Hi There A.C.,
One of the reasons we called these figures 'John Ford's Cavalry' was that we wanted to emulate the look and style of the John Ford Cavalry movies...In some of those flicks the featured Cavalry rode out with flags flying...both national and regimental...As well as company and Troop guidons.

As for historical inaccuracies in some of Ford's movies...I particularly like the great director's reply to the lady historian who cornered him at some event or other and said,
" You realise Mr. Ford that the U.S. Cavalry in your films never actually looked like how you show them in your films!"

John Ford thought about this for a moment and then responded, "Y'know Ma'am you might be right...But they should have!"

For 'John Ford's Cavalry'...I guess I'll stick with John Ford's reasoning.
Best wishes and happy collecting,
Andy.
 
Hi Andy,
Fully agree with you!{sm4}:salute::
Reason why the mention to Hollywood on my remark! The silver screen world has its own way of portrait history.....even if that means more flair and colour than it really had...
Although I am more of a Victorian Empire Little Wars and WW1 fan, I do see a lot of potential at your new US Cavalry release....with many complementary manufacturers providing add ons that have been spoken of here in the forum...Not to say who amongst us has not had his own Fort Apache....:salute:::salute::But today too far off my tracks to collect....although I have to say I am tempted.
Keep the good work....
Cheers
A_C

King & Country said:
Hi There A.C.,
One of the reasons we called these figures 'John Ford's Cavalry' was that we wanted to emulate the look and style of the John Ford Cavalry movies...In some of those flicks the featured Cavalry rode out with flags flying...both national and regimental...As well as company and Troop guidons.

As for historical inaccuracies in some of Ford's movies...I particularly like the great director's reply to the lady historian who cornered him at some event or other and said,
" You realise Mr. Ford that the U.S. Cavalry in your films never actually looked like how you show them in your films!"

John Ford thought about this for a moment and then responded, "Y'know Ma'am you might be right...But they should have!"

For 'John Ford's Cavalry'...I guess I'll stick with John Ford's reasoning.
Best wishes and happy collecting,
Andy.
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Hi Andy, perfect answer to this comment. But most of all thank you for giving us a choice. We can collect the U.S. Cavalry as it looked in the field with "The Real West Series" or John Ford's version. I'm not strong enough to make a choice so I collect both. I have already ordered the first two mounted troopers and anxiously await the release of the others. Thanks again
 
Having just watched one of my favourite films "She Wore a Yellow Ribbon" for the umpteenth time, I notice that as Captain Brittles (John Wayme) leads his men out on his last patrol, immediately outside Fort Stark he passes and salutes the National and Regimental Colours that preceded him. At the end of the film, regimental and national flags head up the marching column, just before the final credits.
 
The column is coming together. Really like these. Robin.
 

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The column continues to grow with more splendid troopers. The Bugler is very striking on his White horse. Robin.
ps I have placed a rifle in the flag bearers hand.
 

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Very nice scene with the row of shops in the background. The cavalry are great looking figures and would look good in a variety of different landscapes as well as your own interesting diorama. When I pick up my first batch next week I will be creating a setting which will be a little different to what has already been shown on the forum. Well done Robin. Regards Greg.
 
Looking forward to seeing what you come up with Greg. I have taken the easy option as my troops are part of a permanent shelf display and therefore lack the backdrop and terrain which would go along way to improving the scene. These mounted figures are so impressive. Robin.
 
WeekendWarrior said:
I'd have to agree and disagree!

If Andy is depicting a regiment in march, the National and Regimental Colours would be quite accurate... There is a rumor (probably true in my opinion) that Custer's 7th lost their Regimental Colour at Little Bighorn, after all!
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Hi,
The 7th cavalry regimental colour (blue background/yellow fringe) was carried on the pack train and survived the battle. The 7th (Custer battalion) lost 5 x company guidon's plus Custer's own unofficial headquarters flag.
 
Good looking set up you have there all the same Robin. It'd make a good setting for the Ringo kid have his gunfight in this street too, should any manufacturer do a Stagecoach theme !
Steve
 
Johnboy said:
Hi,
The 7th cavalry regimental colour (blue background/yellow fringe) was carried on the pack train and survived the battle. The 7th (Custer battalion) lost 5 x company guidon's plus Custer's own unofficial headquarters flag.
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I'd respectfully have to disagree with you. The only allusion to the regimental colour being on the pack train comes from 1LT Godfrey. After such a serious defeat, one can't blame the surviving officers of the 7th for trying to sweep the loss of a colour under the rug.

Furthermore, a civilian doctor assigned to Gibbons' column (I forget his name but I can try to find my source if desired) confirms this, stating in a letter home that the regimental colour was among those lost.

Military logic would dictate this as well. You don't leave your Colours with the pack train, especially not in a regiment with a leader like LTC Custer. And even if they were with the pack, one would only expect Reno or Benteen to raise it over their defensive position to raise troop morale.

There is also the interesting claim (also made by Godfrey) that Custer designed his own regimental colour in yellow, as opposed to the regulation blue. It's highly debatable but some believe this yellow colour, if it even existed, was the one carried at LBH.
 
Also, as a sidenote, does Andy have any plans to continue the Little Bighorn or Buffalo Soldiers series within TRW?
 
WeekendWarrior said:
Also, as a sidenote, does Andy have any plans to continue the Little Bighorn or Buffalo Soldiers series within TRW?
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Although of late K&C has been well and truly involved in the Vietnam conflict we are also hard at work on some exciting additions to The Real West series...specifically 'Custer's Last Stand'...Watch this space in the coming months!
All the best and happy collecting,
Andy.
 
King & Country said:
Although of late K&C has been well and truly involved in the Vietnam conflict we are also hard at work on some exciting additions to The Real West series...specifically 'Custer's Last Stand'...Watch this space in the coming months!
All the best and happy collecting,
Andy.
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Can't wait to see! This really is one of my favorite series. The John Ford Cav are superb.
 
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