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Rob

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So after the demise of NMA we now hear the sad news that HB will no longer be producing Tanks.Is the golden age of our hobby coming to an end???.This leaves K&C and Figarti as the main producers of the finest military vehicles for our hobby.They have a lot of hopes resting on their shoulders right now.It would be a brave new company that starts producing models in the current financial climate.

Rob
 
So after the demise of NMA we now hear the sad news that HB will no longer be producing Tanks.Is the golden age of our hobby coming to an end???.This leaves K&C and Figarti as the main producers of the finest military vehicles for our hobby.They have a lot of hopes resting on their shoulders right now.It would be a brave new company that starts producing models in the current financial climate.

Rob

Don't forget Collector Showcase. They produce fine products too. Got the Armored Car 222, Anti-aircraft Gun and more recently the Horsch. attention to and furious details... couldn't complain.

N-P
 
Yeah sorry i forgot them.I really liked their Marder and armoured car but not their Tiger(Zimmerit was far to pronounced for me).Yes they may now step up and try to fill HB shoes in the tank dept,big step up though.

Rob
 
It realy is a shame to see the loss of these company,s , in the current doom and gloom invoriment its hardly suprising though , when you where paying $89for a set/vehicle you didn’t think to long about grabbing it , But coupled with a healthy dose of uncertainty and prices regularly hitting $150-200 it certainly makes you think long and hard.
I still think there is value for money in a lot of these sets when you look at the detail etc , but sitting on a few extra bucks doesnt seem a bad move at the moment.
 
Absolutely Rob.The days when i didn't have to think so much about my purchases are long gone.Each decision is thought through a lot more these days i'm afraid.:(

Rob
 
I wonder if anyone is keeping track on how fast RETIRED K&C Sets are going ?? Since, they cost less than current prices - I just wonder if their sales have picked up during these economic times ?? :confused:
 
I wonder which of these three companies is going to step up and fill the void left by Honour Bound's cessation of its "Golden Series" armored vehicles? The market clearly exists for museum quality armored vehicles at "warbird" prices. Both Figarti, with its magnificent "Shock and Awe" pieces, and K&C with its museum quality Warbirds, clearly have the capability to step up and produce incredibly high quality armored vehicles.

I recall when, during the first spate of Warbird production (1990-1997) K&C also produced amazing wood vehicles with metal detailing in the same factories. These pieces had incredible details like hinged hatches that opened and closed, but, like the early Warbirds, were usually not "weathered" in appearance (they looked like they just came off the production line). However, a few of the late production wood and metal vehicles (see photos of the 8th Army Sherman and the wood M113 from my collection for examples)were weathered, greatly adding to their realism.

K&C's present warbird studio is far superior to the original warbirds, and could probably produce a properly weathered and perfectly detailled true 1:30 armored vehicle in wood and metal, with hinged hatches that opened and closed, and interior details in view of the hatches, for around the price of the "Golden Series" tanks that were just retired. If Andy treated these hand crafted vehicles like the warbirds, they would be limited to production runs of 5-20. If the detail was identical in quality to that of the warbirds, these vehicles would equal (and possibly exceed) the quality of the HB Golden versions.

Figarti has already exceeded the quality of anything anyone else in this hobby has done with armored vehicles in its 1:32 scale "Shock and Awe" Tiger Tanks. These vehicles, made mostly of metal parts (more than 900) assembled around a polystone superstructure, are in my opinion the finest armored vehicles ever made by a toy soldier manufacturer. Were these vehicles, or vehicles using this identical "internally accurate" technology, upscaled to 1:30 scale, and priced in the range of Honour Bounds offerings, these would also more than adequately fill the void, particularly as Rick Wang already offers customization of Figarti vehicles and aircraft on request. However, I suspect these would be produced in the same numbers as all other Figarti items (100 sets) and would not be quite is limited as the Golden series.

Frankly, if I were laying out $500+ for one vehicle, I would be much more attracted to wood and metal or superdetailled mostly metal vehicles than to vehicles made principally of polystone. Honour Bound opened this particular market, but I hope that K&C or Figarti steps in and expands it. I guess only time will tell . . .
 
I think what did HB vehicles in had little to do with the toy soldier market. Their problem was the Argentine economy. Argentina is not set up for mass production. Relative to China, their material costs were very high (and unreliable). Case in point...packing peanuts do not exist in Argentina. They had to pay someone to cut up stryofoam into cubes to pack their products in. Labor is also much higher in Argentina than in China, even with the rise of Chinese labor costs. Shipping out of Argentina is also quite high - because Argentina doesn't expect people to export. I know Ana looked into sea freight at one point, and if HB had large enough shipments to ship that way (which would have been much cheaper than air freight), the Argentine gov't would have socked them with an export tax that would have made it much more expensive to ship by sea. Their air freight shipments were small enough to avoid the tax.

If HB had the advantages of the Chinese economy I'm sure the vehicles would be doing well. Their location did them in. Producing figure sets is a whole different story. As figure sets do not require nearly as many materials, require much less labor, and are much smaller for shipping, some of those disadvantages are overcome. Yes, their production costs are still much higher than in China, but they can make it work. Obviously BG has done well, so they know how to do figures!

I wonder what will happen to their molds, etc. for such beautiful vehicles.
 
Another thought...

If someone in China had a factory to be able to reliably produce these, I think that it would hold down the prices and could work. It would be exciting to see, since they are such fine vehicles.

The problem would be the same as with many other toy soldier companies (NMA, Britains under RC2). If you're not right there in China overseeing things, there are many challenges! So it would take the right person to oversee it all in China, and to be honest, I suspect that person doesn't exist. I also don't know if HB would go for it. They like to have a 'hands on' approach. Kinda hard to do when 1/2 a world away.
 
How about moving the whole operation to the US. Set them up in the new Treefrog building, bring jobs to the mid west, and revitalize our slumping economy :) Plenty of packing peanuts here in the US. Unless someone decides to move that industry to another country as well.
 
now that HB has announced its cessation of vehicles, my hopes lies on Figarti to produce high end true to 1/30 scale vehicles.

as it is, Figarti's vehicles are already superb, lest their figures need better sculpting.
 
now that HB has announced its cessation of vehicles, my hopes lies on Figarti to produce high end true to 1/30 scale vehicles.

as it is, Figarti's vehicles are already superb, lest their figures need better sculpting.

Agreed, but the Figarti WW II German soldier sets (G400E -German Soldiers With Mixed Weapons & G4101E-Winter Attack) are superbe sets limited at 60 & 100 sets respectively. I would encourage any winter scenario fanatics to acquire these sets...and yes, they display well with K&C!

Hang Tough,
Beaufighter
 
Agreed, but the Figarti WW II German soldier sets (G400E -German Soldiers With Mixed Weapons & G4101E-Winter Attack) are superbe sets limited at 60 & 100 sets respectively. I would encourage any winter scenario fanatics to acquire these sets...and yes, they display well with K&C!

Hang Tough,
Beaufighter

Hi Beaufighter,

the winter attack G400E is a good release & the much improved winter surprise G4101E is an excellent release.

the figarti paint tone is dark & gritty, and in my humble opinions, is only compatible witn other Figarti releases.

but as i do not own the Figarti winter Panzer IV and their figure tone is too dark for either K&C or Hb, i'll keep them in view.

i have the V1 and V2 series, and i find them fantastic.
 

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