King and Country Plastic Alamo (2 Viewers)

[Jay]

In case you hadn't noticed, there are pictures on the London Toy Shop report on the new King and Country painted plastic figures. The first series will be Alamo. As I see it, there are 8 infantry figures, a cannon and crew, and Santa Anna. I understand these will be available after the New Year. I'll bet someone with better computer talent than I can get those pictures up for all to see. Oh, they are at a reasonable price. Not exactly cheap, but a lot better than metal figures.

 

[Jay]

Any comments? Opinions? Great thoughts?

 

[Plastic General]

QUESTION #1 Are they 1:32 scale or are they really copies of their metal figures standing at a 1:30 scale?

QUESTION #2 Same question except referring to WWII.

Plastic General

 

[Peter Reuss]

These figures are intended to match with the existing K&C range, so they are 1:30. I think they did a nice job with them and will be curious to see how the 'harder' resin works.

 

[Warrior]

QUESTION #2 Same question except referring to WWII.

Plastic General

It's doubtful you'll see plastic/resin WWII figures from K & C. Someone asked him this at the London show and was told probably not.

These resin figures are more geared to horse and musket collectors who want to fill out the ranks/do larger dioramas and don't want the expense of all metal troops.

Plastic WWII makes no sense as customers do not buy more of one pose, so the need for large quantities of figures to fill out dioramas is a non starter.

The Sherman tank is plastic and goes back to the filling out the ranks scenario; ie, buy multiplies of the Sherman for dioramas.

So don't hold your breath for plastic WWII figures or else you'll be a former plastic general.

 

[Plastic General]

It's doubtful you'll see plastic/resin WWII figures from K & C. Someone asked him this at the London show and was told probably not.

These resin figures are more geared to horse and musket collectors who want to fill out the ranks/do larger dioramas and don't want the expense of all metal troops.

Plastic WWII makes no sense as customers do not buy more of one pose, so the need for large quantities of figures to fill out dioramas is a non starter.

The Sherman tank is plastic and goes back to the filling out the ranks scenario; ie, buy multiplies of the Sherman for dioramas.

So don't hold your breath for plastic WWII figures or else you'll be a former plastic general.

Who told ever told you WWII collectors don't buy more than ONE pose of a figure?
No we don't need twelve of the same firing pose like Nopoleonics but 3 of a pose is sufficient.
Your OBVIOUSLY NOT a WWII collector.

Plastic General

 

[Jay]

QUESTION #1 Are they 1:32 scale or are they really copies of their metal figures standing at a 1:30 scale?

QUESTION #2 Same question except referring to WWII.

Plastic General

I'm pretty sure they are 1/30th scale, but I also don't think they are copies of their metal figures. I could be wrong. My guess is that depending on how well these go will depend on what series he does next.

 

[Peter Reuss]

Who told ever told you WWII collectors don't buy more than ONE pose of a figure?
No we don't need twelve of the same firing pose like Nopoleonics but 3 of a pose is sufficient.
Your OBVIOUSLY NOT a WWII collector.

Plastic General

Actually you answered your own question there. A Napoleonic collector WOULD want 12 of the same pose (or more), making it a better option for resin that a WWII one that you want 3 of.

And please, be careful in 'accusing' others on this forum. Just because someone doesn't agree with your view doesn't make them less of a collector (trust me, George has plenty of toy soldiers to go around).

 

[The Green Knight]

I collect mainly plastic figures simply because of the cost but I do like King and Country stuff and have bought myself a few pieces already. I won't mind buying plastic versions of their figs and do some conversions of them which I figure would be a lot easier than converting metal figs. Also I think it would be a bit of a crime for me to fiddle with the metal ones unless I am doing repair work on a damaged piece. Just my two cents worth.

 

[OldDragon]

I have a keen interest in K&C's ancient Greeks ... but refrained from adding that range to my collection, principally because of the high cost to create a sample phalanx or any other fighting formation.

I hope K&C will add it's ancient Greek range to a resin option.

Bests
OD

 

[Thyer]

Here's a question about the plastic Shermans or any tank K&C might make:

Why would anybody purchase a 70$ non articulating tracked tank made from plastic? Sure it's painted very detailed and might come with a metal tank driver, but I'll assume that this plastic tank is hollow on the inside, similar to BMC or the old 1/32 airfix flexible plastic snap together vehicles (someone please correct me if I am wrong). Don't get me wrong, the hollowness doesn't bother me a bit, and the painting beautiful...but when you have die-cast/plastic vehicles produced by FOV which are fully articulated and more detailed, when looking at the pic of the Normandy Sherman with the snorkels, that cost as much as this K&C offering why even bother? Now I can understand if they are going for niche vehicles, obscure or particular to a certain battle, but otherwise you can repaint and detail the FOV stuff as well. If they are trying to compete with FOV, the plastic composition of the vehicle and less detail should cost LESS vs. FOV, not the same.

Not complaining here as I am happy about any plastic coming out, just kinda scratching my head. I am always out of the market for K&C because I just don't have that amount of expendable $$, besides the plastic stuff out today is pretty awesome, and also I am a figure painter so it's right up my alley. Sure I wish I could purchase the metals and not have to paint up my armies, but its all part of the fun for me!

 

[Warrior]

Who told ever told you WWII collectors don't buy more than ONE pose of a figure?
No we don't need twelve of the same firing pose like Nopoleonics but 3 of a pose is sufficient.
Your OBVIOUSLY NOT a WWII collector.

Plastic General

I collect ACW, Napoleonics and WWII. I have over 20,000 figures in my collection. I've bought multiples of numerous ACW and Napoleonic figures/poses.

I've never bought more than one of any WWII figure/pose.

I sell quite a few metal ACW, Napoleonic and WWII figures, have had a lot of customers buy multiples of ACW and Napoleonic poses (horse and musket), have had virtually no WWII customers buy multiples of any figure that I can recall.

I've sold a lot of plastic figures (not so much anymore as that segment of the hobby is slowing down a bit in my opinion) and again, have sold multiple bagged sets of ACW and Napoleonics, haven't sold hardly any multiple bagged sets of WWII that I can recall. Most sets usually give you two or three of the same pose, you said it yourself, 3 is sufficient, so multiple set purchases are not the norm for WWII.

This was the point I made in the other thread where you were asking why Hat does not make WWII; again, because WWII does not lend itself to multiple set purchases like other eras do and potential volume of sales is what drives production.

So there's your explanation.

Any other questions about me or my collecting habits, let me know, I'm all ears.

 

[jomartvr]

Here's a question about the plastic Shermans or any tank K&C might make:

Why would anybody purchase a 70$ non articulating tracked tank made from plastic? Sure it's painted very detailed and might come with a metal tank driver, but I'll assume that this plastic tank is hollow on the inside, similar to BMC or the old 1/32 airfix flexible plastic snap together vehicles (someone please correct me if I am wrong). Don't get me wrong, the hollowness doesn't bother me a bit, and the painting beautiful...but when you have die-cast/plastic vehicles produced by FOV which are fully articulated and more detailed, when looking at the pic of the Normandy Sherman with the snorkels, that cost as much as this K&C offering why even bother? Now I can understand if they are going for niche vehicles, obscure or particular to a certain battle, but otherwise you can repaint and detail the FOV stuff as well. If they are trying to compete with FOV, the plastic composition of the vehicle and less detail should cost LESS vs. FOV, not the same.

Not complaining here as I am happy about any plastic coming out, just kinda scratching my head. I am always out of the market for K&C because I just don't have that amount of expendable $$, besides the plastic stuff out today is pretty awesome, and also I am a figure painter so it's right up my alley. Sure I wish I could purchase the metals and not have to paint up my armies, but its all part of the fun for me!

Well said. I was hoping that KC would produce odd vehicles such as Daimler armor car, and god forbid even post WW Soviet vehicles, Btr152, bmp.

 

[Thyer]

I have a keen interest in K&C's ancient Greeks ... but refrained from adding that range to my collection, principally because of the high cost to create a sample phalanx or any other fighting formation.

I hope K&C will add it's ancient Greek range to a resin option.

Bests
OD

I assume you probably have seen or possibly own the Expeditionary Force ancient Greeks Old Dragon? I guess you would have to paint these, but you could commission a painter to do so. Anyways just wondered what your thoughts were regarding their poses, historical quality, etc...I have 2 sets of Conte Spartans, TSSD's Romans and barbs, and would like to add these to the hodge podge. They also have test shots of persians...pretty cool stuff.