King & Country -- November Dispatches (1 Viewer)

[TomNT]

Hi Rob, yeah the 3 AK Jerries that are not part of this months dispatches are new and no doubt we'll see them being released at a later date. I'm like you, that Adler is a cracker, can't wait to get my hands on it!

Tom

 

[Napoleon1er]

As someone who has spent a lot of time in Israel and participated in a couple of archaeological digs there, I have a slightly different perspective on the building. Here it is in bullets:

• Stone color: While there were buildings built with non-native stone in that era, it is far more likely that local stone would have been used. Verdict: possible, but not probable.
• Half-timber: This was and still is used for upper stories of some buildings. The way it is used in this model is not the most common way it was used, but it works. Verdict: definitely possible.
• Shingles: This is the most problematic part of the building. I have yet to see evidence that slate was commonly used or even was used at all. Verdict: highly unlikely.
• Details: The arches and doors work VERY well for the Middle East. The chimney looks far more modern (see below). Verdict: good and bad.
• Style: The building resembles a craftsman style structure more than anything else. The overall style could work in Europe, but the shape and material of the roof does not fit in Ancient Israel. Verdict: interesting...

No intent to offend anyone here. I just thought I would way in on a subject I love: historical architecture. For thr record, I love the building. I may buy it for a Spanish diorama.
-Sandor

 

[Poppo]

As someone who has spent a lot of time in Israel and participated in a couple of archaeological digs there, I have a slightly different perspective on the building. Here it is in bullets:

• Stone color: While there were buildings built with non-native stone in that era, it is far more likely that local stone would have been used. Verdict: possible, but not probable.
• Half-timber: This was and still is used for upper stories of some buildings. The way it is used in this model is not the most common way it was used, but it works. Verdict: definitely possible.
• Shingles: This is the most problematic part of the building. I have yet to see evidence that slate was commonly used or even was used at all. Verdict: highly unlikely.
• Details: The arches and doors work VERY well for the Middle East. The chimney looks far more modern (see below). Verdict: good and bad.
• Style: The building resembles a craftsman style structure more than anything else. The overall style could work in Europe, but the shape and material of the roof does not fit in Ancient Israel. Verdict: interesting...

No intent to offend anyone here. I just thought I would way in on a subject I love: historical architecture. For thr record, I love the building. I may buy it for a Spanish diorama.
-Sandor

Come on...That building can't be used for the middle east, nor north Africa.....It is a typical european style ( Central Europe, England)...The walls, the roof,the chimney...And surely not for Jesus' time.

 

[nysoldiers]

Come on...That building can't be used for the middle east, nor north Africa.....It is a typical european style ( Central Europe, England)...The walls, the roof,the chimney...And surely not for Jesus' time.

Have to agree, this building does not work for the Middle East......but useful for European theatre backdrops.
Hopefully the other building that fits with the "desert village" will be released in the near future.

 

[graycap]

I've hoped for ages that K & C would eventually do "Bulge" British, so great to see these leather jerkined figures make their appearance! Also a Comet, an added bonus, although when the Germans attacked in December those troops in the process of being issued with Comets immediately retrieved their old Shermans.

However both tank and infantry (and those future tank riders) are great for the Reichswald a few month later.

Than you K & C!

 

[Combat]

I'm always impressed by the wide variety of KC releases. They may occasionally get some details wrong but that is to be expected given how much they produce. The use of a particular building seems suggestive for collectors. Use it or not as you see fit. I don't see that as an historical error per se.

 

[Larry Allen]

Wonderful day in Maine, even though it is cold and raining.
MORE Japanese troops ..... ^&grin ^&grin.

I am soooooo happy that K&C finally re-addressed the Pacific Theater.

Hopefully there is a long road ahead of releases for this series.
--- LaRRy

 

[Panzer ace]

The new Afrika Korps sets are incredible!!!! I especially like AK107 “Rommel’s ADLER Command Vehicle”.

 

[braddinpa]

I always liked the Grief but missed out on it. I think I will pick it up. And considering it comes with 2 figures. I price isn't too bad.

 

[Artillery_crazy]

Have to agree and disagree.......
I am a great fan of the K&C buildings and say they are the best in coming up with dio buildings....But to all there is a limit....
Agree that each of us places accuracy in our own collections at the level we think is best.......And work the sets and layouts as we best feel they should.....
Disagree when a manufacturer market a set saying that it can be applied at several historical periods, from Biblical to WW2......to say the least given the disparity in style...Someone should have spotted that during the developemnt and trial tests....One would ask why a house in the desert would have sloped roofs ( sloped to ease the discharge of rain and snow.....two very rare commodities in the desert....) while houses in the desert usually have flat roofs with means of collecting whatever rain that falls.....what to say about the powerful chimeny....Not to mention the heavy Todor/Elizabethan/Norman/Alsace Lorraine .....you name it style......{sm3}

Now as has been said..the other house is much more palatable as a new addition to the desert series and I would love to know when will it be marketed....
As to the stable....nice back drop prop for an English, Normandy or other Western Europe set...be it 1870 Franco- Prussian War up to WW2...
Cheers
A_C

I'm always impressed by the wide variety of KC releases. They may occasionally get some details wrong but that is to be expected given how much they produce. The use of a particular building seems suggestive for collectors. Use it or not as you see fit. I don't see that as an historical error per se.

 

[Poppo]

I really like the japanese soldiers and officers, really well done: the uniform colours, details, faces,poses and the thin rifles also detailed painted.

 

[WesternOutlaw]

The Village Stable is really growing on me but not for North Africa. I'm thinking of old Combat episodes with Vic Morrow. King Company always seemed to revisit the same little French village and I always liked the buildings. There were a few episodes with a winery and one in which Vic is chased by a Hunter (The Hunter, I believe with Alfred Ryder). I've honestly been wanting some sort of little European barn or stable reminding me of Combat and this one fits the picture quite well. It can go with US, German, or British soldiers nicely.

EDIT: and for those of you who are fans of the '60s Combat Series, a little trivia. As I remembered having had to look up the info again, I guess one of the locations for Combat was in Thomas Winery in Cucamonga, CA. There may have been others. Here's an old picture of that winery:

This is what I'm talking about. SP083 seems to have that look (at least in my eyes).

Now envision the background in the picture below replaced by the Village Stable. My K&C Saunders may be pictured outside this little "winery-style" building in a future scene.


Combat by WesternOutlaw, on Flickr

 

[PanzerAce1944]

Just a few comments on the SP083 Diorama building. From my perspective when I first viewed this last night I immediately thought of it being used in a WWII scene.
My own view is Biased as WWII makes up 90% of what I buy. I am more pleased by this piece being released and giving collectors more display options than a mere
possible error in descriptive use ! The cut out area for me can house a small medical aid station, command post, or an anti-Tank gun position. Much better than a facade.
Nice looking piece all around....IMO :wink2:

Wayne

 

[King & Country]

Hi Guys,

Many thanks for the very positive comments on the November releases ...
I also like “Western Outlaw’s” suggestion of using the new stable with WW2 GI’s
Like many of you I was (and still am) a big fan of “COMBAT” and the late Vic Morrow ... Here’s a little scene I put together – hope you like it.

Best wishes and happy collecting!
Andy

 

[Jack]

As someone who has spent a lot of time in Israel and participated in a couple of archaeological digs there, I have a slightly different perspective on the building. Here it is in bullets:

• Stone color: While there were buildings built with non-native stone in that era, it is far more likely that local stone would have been used. Verdict: possible, but not probable.
• Half-timber: This was and still is used for upper stories of some buildings. The way it is used in this model is not the most common way it was used, but it works. Verdict: definitely possible.
• Shingles: This is the most problematic part of the building. I have yet to see evidence that slate was commonly used or even was used at all. Verdict: highly unlikely.
• Details: The arches and doors work VERY well for the Middle East. The chimney looks far more modern (see below). Verdict: good and bad.
• Style: The building resembles a craftsman style structure more than anything else. The overall style could work in Europe, but the shape and material of the roof does not fit in Ancient Israel. Verdict: interesting...

No intent to offend anyone here. I just thought I would way in on a subject I love: historical architecture. For thr record, I love the building. I may buy it for a Spanish diorama.
-Sandor

Sandor

A virgin is in the building giving birth ... I think there is more to question than just the colour!

Jack

 

[WesternOutlaw]

Like many of you I was (and still am) a big fan of “COMBAT” and the late Vic Morrow ... Here’s a little scene I put together – hope you like it.

Now this just does it for me. Top notch Andy! You've just added this to my wish list.

EDIT: I wish I could photograph my K&C scenes this well.

Just a few comments on the SP083 Diorama building. From my perspective when I first viewed this last night I immediately I am more pleased by this piece being released and giving collectors more display options than a mere possible error in descriptive use ! The cut out area for me can house a small medical aid station, command post, or an anti-Tank gun position. Much better than a facade.

Well said Wayne - completely agree.

 

[Captain Smart]

Wheres King Charles II for the Pike and Musket Range?^&confuse
I thought this may be released in November? Going by the Catalogue:wink2: Must be December then?
No big deal though more time to save my devalued UK pennies! Infact if Trump wins going by the sentiment of the Stock Market and Oil Price currently the US currency will be devalued significantly too! {eek3}

 

[jomartvr]

As someone who has spent a lot of time in Israel and participated in a couple of archaeological digs there, I have a slightly different perspective on the building. Here it is in bullets:

• Stone color: While there were buildings built with non-native stone in that era, it is far more likely that local stone would have been used. Verdict: possible, but not probable.
• Half-timber: This was and still is used for upper stories of some buildings. The way it is used in this model is not the most common way it was used, but it works. Verdict: definitely possible.
• Shingles: This is the most problematic part of the building. I have yet to see evidence that slate was commonly used or even was used at all. Verdict: highly unlikely.
• Details: The arches and doors work VERY well for the Middle East. The chimney looks far more modern (see below). Verdict: good and bad.
• Style: The building resembles a craftsman style structure more than anything else. The overall style could work in Europe, but the shape and material of the roof does not fit in Ancient Israel. Verdict: interesting...

No intent to offend anyone here. I just thought I would way in on a subject I love: historical architecture. For thr record, I love the building. I may buy it for a Spanish diorama.
-Sandor

I did not want to comment on this building however, Napoleon1er broke the ice. I am a professional archaeologist who has worked in Near Eastern/Middle Eastern archaeology since 1986. My bona fides can be found at https://ecu.academia.edu/BenjaminSaidel.

If this building is meant to depict a stable in "Biblical times" or Roman period Judea at the time of Jesus, or a Byzantine period stable in the same region then in my opinion it is historically inaccurate. In these periods pitched roofs were uncommon as there was is tendency for flat roofs because people would sleep on them during the summer months. Furthermore, the roof tiles bear no resemblance to Roman roof tiles for an example see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imbrex_and_tegula#/media/File:Tiles_Fishbourne.JPG.
The green roof tiles would not work if one wants to depict an Ottoman or 20th century structure in Palestine. By and large Marseille roof tiles were extensively used in Palestine.

The wood and stucco patterning on the façade is odd and does not correspond to reconstructions in the archaeological literature. The wooden façade under the left arch is suspect for the Levant was wood was rare.

Perhaps the problem here is that an early or mid-20th century handbook on ancient Middle Eastern architecture was used as a reference. Reconstructions from this period erroneous depicted pitched roofs in the archaeological record, say for example, in ancient Mesopotamia.

A good reference for Roman and Byzantine architecture in ancient Israel is Yitzhar Hirschfeld’s (1995) The Palestinian Dwelling in the Roman-Byzantine period, Jerusalem: Franciscan Printing Press.
The building behind the stable is a good representation of Middle Eastern architecture, especially if the window is removed.

 

[Napoleon1er]

Thank you for elaborating on some of my thoughts and correcting others. I agree wholeheartedly with your views. As an undergraduate, I don't claim to be an expert, just someone with an informed hunch.

 

[jomartvr]

Thank you for elaborating on some of my thoughts and correcting others. I agree wholeheartedly with your views. As an undergraduate, I don't claim to be an expert, just someone with an informed hunch.

Your hunch was correct! Glad that you broke the ice.
Benjamin