Labayen miniatures for sale (2 Viewers)

Thank you very much for your comments.

The value of this collection lies in having been painted by Ramón Labayen's painters in the 70's or 80's.
I think its quality can be seen well in the photos.

The price for each figure is 100 US Dollars (130 US Dollars horses / 115 US Dollars flags), but if the purchase exceeds a reasonable amount, the price would be lower. ;)

Please don't take it the wrong way, but if I were a buyer interested in buying any of these, I'd ask for some proof of provenance. Part of the cachet of these figures is specifically that they came from the Labayen workshop. Same would go for a Stadden figure, too.

Prost!
Brad
 
How do you establish provenance?

Parenthetically, when you look at the Completed Auctions section of ebay, Labayen items have not sold.
 
How do you establish provenance?

Parenthetically, when you look at the Completed Auctions section of ebay, Labayen items have not sold.

I'd want something to show that they came originally from the shop. It's not an absolute, of course; I recognize that there might not be any documentation, eg, sales slip, or original boxes. But I'd want to be able to confirm any claim made by the seller, as best I could. The ideal in this case--a Grail, as it were--would be that these came straight from the shop to the original owner, who has had them in his possession up to now, and that he kept receipts of the sale, the boxes, etc, and they're all available. And if it can't be confirmed, then personally, I'd factor that in to my bid amount.

In the case of an item like these, where the figures were sold as kits, as well as finished in the studio, it's something I'd ask. Again, I'm not challenging this seller. But I recall auctions for Staddens, for example, which were presented as factory finish, but there was nothing to confirm them, such as the stamp or "signature" that can be found under the bases of some. And the quality of the painting tended towards something a hobbyist painted, rather than an experienced painter at the shop.

And in a broader sense, it's part of educating ourselves as buyers. I would apply the same kind of thought to buying a beer stein, for example. First, I've read as many books on them as I can, and other sources, like magazines and catalogs. I know a bit about the origins, and the styles and materials over time, and the makers. Second, I've looked at a lot of them, in various places, flea markets, museums, my friends' collections. So I've armed myself and hopefully, it gives me a better position when buying. Same goes for toy soldiers, or any collectible.

Anyway, that was my thought, behind my question.

Prost!
Brad
 
Luis, thanks. I may go back and watch a few of those NoDos from the 60s. I will have to tell some friends from Barcelona to take a look.

Do you think you could take a photo of the Prussians and the Spanish. I may be interested in a couple of them.

Thanks.

Brad

No problem, Brad. I will take photos of the Prussians and Spaniards and I will put them here ;)
 
Hi friends,
I understand Brad's point of view. Unfortunately the figures of Labayen did not bring any mark in their base(only recorded the reference of the number in catalog)

IMG_0395.JPG

, only the signature of the painter of the workshop (Labayen, Galarreta, Antonio, JR, Arturo ....), this can be seen in any photo of the internet.

firma.jpg

firma2.jpg

el taller.jpg

I think the quality of the painting is beyond doubt, and for anyone who knows the work of the Labayen workshop, it is easy to compare with other original works.
My collection is bought figure to unpainted, and I still have the original instructions of each of the kits (and I think some of their boxes...), after which I took them to the workshop, where Arturo painted them.

IMG_0393.JPG

No bill, sorry, but we're talking about the 70's, 80's, where there was not even internet !!
This is what there is
 
Well, that's pretty good, a signature by the painter is pretty good as an additional detail. That's similar to the markings under the bases of Staddens painted at the factory, for sale in the shop.

Prost!
Brad
 
I'd want something to show that they came originally from the shop. It's not an absolute, of course; I recognize that there might not be any documentation, eg, sales slip, or original boxes. But I'd want to be able to confirm any claim made by the seller, as best I could. The ideal in this case--a Grail, as it were--would be that these came straight from the shop to the original owner, who has had them in his possession up to now, and that he kept receipts of the sale, the boxes, etc, and they're all available. And if it can't be confirmed, then personally, I'd factor that in to my bid amount.

In the case of an item like these, where the figures were sold as kits, as well as finished in the studio, it's something I'd ask. Again, I'm not challenging this seller. But I recall auctions for Staddens, for example, which were presented as factory finish, but there was nothing to confirm them, such as the stamp or "signature" that can be found under the bases of some. And the quality of the painting tended towards something a hobbyist painted, rather than an experienced painter at the shop.

And in a broader sense, it's part of educating ourselves as buyers. I would apply the same kind of thought to buying a beer stein, for example. First, I've read as many books on them as I can, and other sources, like magazines and catalogs. I know a bit about the origins, and the styles and materials over time, and the makers. Second, I've looked at a lot of them, in various places, flea markets, museums, my friends' collections. So I've armed myself and hopefully, it gives me a better position when buying. Same goes for toy soldiers, or any collectible.

Anyway, that was my thought, behind my question.

Prost!
Brad

There was no boxes ( remember 70ies , the making of a colour box at that time would have cost almost the price of a figure, for today production they are made in China where states slaves made them at almost no cost ), they were wrapped in silk papers, the figures made in Labayen studio were all signed on the top of the base, as you can see on the picture of the seller and yes they were a million miles up of any other production of the time, only Russian reach this level today, at a cost .
The offer is more than fair .
 
It's not a question of fairness because that's a personal judgment but of what a willing buyer would pay to a willing seller for an item, i.e., market value, and eBay shows that these items do not sell for a high price.
 
It's not a question of fairness because that's a personal judgment but of what a willing buyer would pay to a willing seller for an item, i.e., market value, and eBay shows that these items do not sell for a high price.

Amen. "The price of any collectible is what the seller and buyer agree on at the time."-Harry L. Rinker.

Prost!
Brad
 
There was no boxes ( remember 70ies , the making of a colour box at that time would have cost almost the price of a figure, for today production they are made in China where states slaves made them at almost no cost ), they were wrapped in silk papers, the figures made in Labayen studio were all signed on the top of the base, as you can see on the picture of the seller and yes they were a million miles up of any other production of the time, only Russian reach this level today, at a cost .
The offer is more than fair .

The actual kits themselves were boxed. I have a couple of the later kits with the square bases that are in nicely presented boxes.

Similar to the old Hinchliffe boxes.

Scott
 
Last edited:
There was no boxes ( remember 70ies , the making of a colour box at that time would have cost almost the price of a figure, for today production they are made in China where states slaves made them at almost no cost )...

The actual kits themselves were boxed. I have a couple of the later kits with the square bases that are in nicely presented boxes.

Similar to the old Hinchliffe boxes.

Scott

Right, exactly, Scott!

I should clarify, when I mentioned boxes, I didn't mean presentation boxes, like Britains and other makers used, and are commonly used today. I meant it in the more general sense. If you bought the figure in a shop, I could see that perhaps the clerk wrapped it in a paper bundle for you, but if they sold the figures through the mail, there had to have been some packaging of some kind. Even if you bought the figure in a shop other than at the factory, then there must have been some kind of packaging for shipping the figures to the vendor. That's what I mean. Such packaging might even have a mailing label on it, however plain the packaging might have been.

Prost!
Brad
 
Luis, thanks. I may go back and watch a few of those NoDos from the 60s. I will have to tell some friends from Barcelona to take a look.

Do you think you could take a photo of the Prussians and the Spanish. I may be interested in a couple of them.

Thanks.

Brad


FullSizeRender.jpg

From left to right, 1 and 2 Spanish succession war, 3 Prussian hussar Frederick the Great, 4 and 5 Spanish generals Napoleonic Wars and 6 Austrian Uhlan Napoleonic wars
 
Luis,

Thanks for the photos. You may have answered this question but how tall are the figures? Are they 54mm?

Brad
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top