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THE RAID ON ST. FRANCIS

This is the new John Jenkins Longhouse....it's hefty....roughly 5 pounds.

The first and largest of two Longhouses for the Woodland Indian Village
Longhouses were homes used by the Iroquois tribes. The Iroquois were farming people who lived in permanent villages
They were built in a similar way to wigwams, with pole frames and elm bark covering.
The main difference is that the longhouses were much larger, but the size did vary, and could be good homes for as many as twenty families.

LONGHOUSE (Large)
RAID ON ST. FRANCIS,
(1pc)
Not Limited
Retail us$128

Longhouse Dimensions 11 1/8”x 5” x 5 ¼”

Please note this is the first and largest of two longhouses that will be available. The second and smaller Longhouse will be released in December 2009

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THE RAID ON ST. FRANCIS

This is the new John Jenkins Longhouse....it's hefty....roughly 5 pounds.

The first and largest of two Longhouses for the Woodland Indian Village
Longhouses were homes used by the Iroquois tribes. The Iroquois were farming people who lived in permanent villages
They were built in a similar way to wigwams, with pole frames and elm bark covering.
The main difference is that the longhouses were much larger, but the size did vary, and could be good homes for as many as twenty families.

LONGHOUSE (Large)
RAID ON ST. FRANCIS,
(1pc)
Not Limited
Retail us$128

Longhouse Dimensions 11 1/8”x 5” x 5 ¼”

Please note this is the first and largest of two longhouses that will be available. The second and smaller Longhouse will be released in December 2009

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Very nice additions to your ever growing JJD collection Michael. Thanks for sharing with us.
Mike
 
This is beautiful, Mike,
the combination of Frontline and JJ figures, the base, the rows of corn, the ground cover, excellent setup!
A great inspiration for people who want to setup a Woodland Indian Village.
Thanks for bringing the Frontline figures and canoe in here. They work great together.
Konrad
 
As I've said before and will say again Michael it sure is fun seeing the results of your play time as you add to your JJ collections. You sure put some time and effort in setting it up and the results are well worth your efforts. Thanks again for sharing it all with us mi amigo......Jose
 
Good job as always MIKE. That sure is a big longhouse. I think i will wait for the next set and get 2 of them. Keep up the good work. CHEERS.
 
I talked to very reliable experts in archaeology, you can mix longhouses and wigwams in the same village. Not a problem. So, enjoy.
 
Looks good Michael! Thanks for posting the pics. I still have to buy these two, wigwam and long house.
 
The JJ longhouses are very nice, but Michael, don't you sense a scratchbuilding challenge here? :D

Prost!
Brad
 
The JJ longhouses are very nice, but Michael, don't you sense a scratchbuilding challenge here? :D

Prost!
Brad

Honestly Brad.....I bought 3 slim dowels (@27 cents per) the other day and may try one on my own sometime in the future......it doesn't like that intimidating.

but I also bought 10 thicker dowels (@ $1.22 per) and think I will try a blockhouse first because I can't find one to buy.....I already have the gate, 4 wall sections and the corners.

I'm thinking of casting another 8 wall sections for the fort from dental plaster and painting them myself.....they look really easy to do.

If I make enough wall sections....I mean if I make a really big fort....I think the ranger hut and cabin will look good inside of the fort compound.

I'm only in this for $13 so far......so even if I don't do anything......I will suvive.

The blockhouse is $188 and the longhouse is $128.....I'll give it a shot.

Just gotta get off my rear and get to it......:D

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If anybody that owns a blockhouse.....

would be kind enough to give me some measurements.....

I would really appreciate it.

I would like the

1) overall height of the blockhouse
2) height of smaller first story
3) exterior dimensions (width and depth) of both stories...the top story is just a little bigger than the bottom story.

If anybody would be so kind to measure theirs....again I would really appreciate the help.

I'm kind of unsure what type of putty or caulk to use for the log mud packing and I'm a little intimidated about notching out the ends of the logs so they will overlap on the corners smoothly....but I really don't think a small square building will be that hard to do.

If anybody could help with some measurement....it would simplify things for me.:rolleyes:
 
Honestly Brad.....I bought 3 slim dowels (@27 cents per) the other day and may try one on my own sometime in the future......it doesn't like that intimidating.

but I also bought 10 thicker dowels (@ $1.22 per) and think I will try a blockhouse first because I can't find one to buy.....I already have the gate, 4 wall sections and the corners.

I'm thinking of casting another 8 wall sections for the fort from dental plaster and painting them myself.....they look really easy to do.

If I make enough wall sections....I mean if I make a really big fort....I think the ranger hut and cabin will look good inside of the fort compound.

I'm only in this for $13 so far......so even if I don't do anything......I will suvive.

The blockhouse is $188 and the longhouse is $128.....I'll give it a shot.

Just gotta get off my rear and get to it......:D

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I was thinking of wicker or caning material, too, for the ribs of the lodge. Haven't thought about the filler material, though.

I have a similar plan for a Prussian field bakery from the Seven Years War. They used iron frames, made in semi-circles or arches, shaped like a big C. Those were bolted by their ends to a frame that lay on the ground, and the spaces between were filled with bricks. The oven box and stoking hole were of iron, and fitted into the one end.

I was thinking of using a thin base, like a scrap of luan, and using the cane material for the frames, glued into holes drilled in the base. Haven't decided how to do the bricks, yet. The fanatic in me says to order the 54mm bricks from Hansa Systemsn and fit them one by one :D

Prost!
Brad
 
I was thinking of wicker or caning material, too, for the ribs of the lodge. Haven't thought about the filler material, though.

I have a similar plan for a Prussian field bakery from the Seven Years War. They used iron frames, made in semi-circles or arches, shaped like a big C. Those were bolted by their ends to a frame that lay on the ground, and the spaces between were filled with bricks. The oven box and stoking hole were of iron, and fitted into the one end.

I was thinking of using a thin base, like a scrap of luan, and using the cane material for the frames, glued into holes drilled in the base. Haven't decided how to do the bricks, yet. The fanatic in me says to order the 54mm bricks from Hansa Systemsn and fit them one by one :D

Prost!
Brad

The cane and the wicker sound more limber than my idea of dowels.

Easier to work with.

I like the ideas of drilled holes in the base.....sounds sturdy.

You want some bricks.....let me know....I may be able to help on that.
 
Hi Mike, Nice diorama. Thanks for giving us a look.

I recommend you go to Barzo's site http://www.barzso.com/acc.html

and see the following plus much more. Very good prices. Maybe you already know about it.
 

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Hey Russell....thanks for the link.

Barzso's stuff is great stuff, big bang for the buck

I already own two of the Log Cabins and the Log Barn.

I own the Adobe Wall Set too, but I glued both pieces together and tried to seam them up with plaster and paint.

His stufff is great....but I have all the Jenkins except the blockade and think I will still try and make one to match his logs in his walls and cabins.

Thanks though....I don't think you can wrong with Barzso.:cool:

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Mike,

http://civilwarfortifications.com/dictionary/dictionary.html

For the blockhouse you might try reading the entrys from the civil war fortification dictionary under both blockhouse and machicouli --- see the floor slit in the diagram under machicouli. There is information about blockhouse dimensions here, including minimum ceiling heights (9-foot for ramrod use) and maximum overall size - weight bearing issues.

From your past work, you obviously have the ability to make a blockhouse. You can do the roof. But think you might be able to do some aspects better than John.

If you are tying the blockhouse to a stockage wall, the blockhouse needs to have a wider overhang than if it was free standing without an associated stockade wall. I think the maximum overhang is 3-foot. If you are attaching the stockade wall to the blockhouse, a primary function of the blockhouse is defending those stockade walls their full lengths.

The corner shooting position from the 2nd story needs to be able to look down the wall and have a clear shot for the entire length of the wall it is guarding. Solid vertical support, but no extra wall in the corners. The window opening needs to be shoved into the corner as far a possible to allow the shooter to have maximum access into the corner so he can defend the stockade wall.

The bottom sill of first story window heights should start at least 6.5- 7 feet off the ground. See the Barzo window heights are taller than the door height. All the windows are high to prevent anyone from just standing on the other side of the wall and sticking a musket through. With these high windows, shots entering the windows would generally go over the heads of anyone standing inside reloading. A simple step or crate would be used to elevate the shooter inside, but those reloading would have the added protection.

The stockwall does not tie into the corner of the blockhouse, but closer to the mid-wall of the blockhouse or maybe a third of the way down. A window from the first floor should be able to look down the outside of the stockade wall, but again it is well raised off the ground. If you see the blockhouse entry in the civil war dictionary, and the "plan" diagram, you see the L-entry way to the door --- this retards a large group from ramming the door in because of the limited space created by the L-entry.

The overhangs include Machicouli with floor slits that can be opened to allow you to shoot straight down.

Vertical stockade walls are likely to be two rows of timber - not one. With smaller diameter and shorter timbers in the saddles of the larger timber outer timbers. The outer wall could be made so that it is 10-foot tall, but the small timber in the saddles would be only 7-foot tall (maybe as short as 5 foot?) Much easier to construct - see the Fort Ligonier page on the web and various photos of Fort Ligonier. Easy to peek out, while remain hidden and protected behind the wall. Often there would be a shooting step inside the paliside wall to raise the height of the shooter. The bottom sill of the loop holes would walls be at least 6.5 feet to 7 feet off the ground again to stop the enemy from sticking a musket throught the wall or even seeing inside.

Very often, they would mix wall types, sometimes vertical stockade walls mixed in with horizontal timber walls which should be easy to construct. Both Fort Duquesne and Fort Ligonier freely mixed timber wall types and their vertical walls are a double row of timbers.

With the Barzo blockhouse you can see that door is not in the middle of the wall, but to shoved into a corner. This allows the stockade wall to connect to the middle of blockhouse wall, increasing the ability to defend to wall - more of the blockhouse is outside the wall and you can position more shooters protecting that wall.

http://www.fortligonier.org/history.htm See the photo on the history tab opening and you can see the smaller timbers in the saddle of the larger outer timbers. The high header near the top of the wall only has to support and connect the outer timbers not the inner timbers.
 
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Mike,

http://civilwarfortifications.com/dictionary/dictionary.html

For the blockhouse you might try reading the entrys from the civil war fortification dictionary under both blockhouse and machicouli --- see the floor slit in the diagram under machicouli. There is information about blockhouse dimensions here, including minimum ceiling heights (9-foot) and maximum overall size - weight bearing issues.

From your past work, you obviously have the ability to make a blockhouse. But think you might be able to do some aspects better than John. You can do the roof.

If you are tying the blockhouse to a stockage wall, the blockhouse needs to have a wider overhang than if it was free standing without an associated stockade wall. I think the maximum overhang is 3-foot.

The corner shooting position from the 2nd story needs to be able to look down the wall and have a clear shot for the entire length of the wall it is guarding. Solid vertical support, but no extra wall in the corners. The window opening needs to be shoved into the corner as far a possible to allow the shooter to have maximum access into the corner so he can defend the stockade wall.

The bottom sill of first story window heights should start at least 6.5- 7 feet off the ground. See the Barzo window heights are taller than the door height. All the windows are high to prevent anyone from just standing on the other side of the wall and sticking a musket through. With these high windows, shots entering the windows would generally go over the heads of anyone standing inside reloading. A simple step or crate would be used to elevate the shooter inside, but those reloading would have the added protection.

The stockwall does not tie into the corner of the blockhouse, but closer to the mid-wall of the blockhouse or maybe a third of the way down. A window from the first floor should be able to look down the outside of the stockade wall, but again it is well raised off the ground. If you see the blockhouse entry in the civil war dictionary, and the "plan" diagram, you see the L-entry way to the door --- this retards a large group from ramming the door in because of the limited space created by the L-entry.

The overhangs include Machicouli, floor slits that can be opened to allow you to shoot straight down.

Vertical stockade walls likely to be two rows of timber - not one. With smaller diameter and shorter timbers in the saddles of the larger timber outer timbers. The outer wall could be made so that it is 10-foot tall, but the small timber in the saddles would be only 7-foot tall. Easy to peek out, while remain hidden and protected behind the wall. Much easier to construct - see the Fort Ligonier page on the web and various photos of Fort Ligonier. Often there would be a shooting step inside the paliside wall to raise the height of the shooter. The bottom sill of the loop holes would walls be at least 6.5 feet to 7 feet off the ground again to stop the enemy from sticking a musket throught the wall or even seeing inside.

Very often, they would mix wall types, sometimes vertical stockade walls mixed in with horizontal timber walls which should be easy to construct. Both Fort Duquesne and Fort Ligonier freely mixed timber wall types.

With the Barzo blockhouse you can see that door is not in the middle of the wall, but to shoved into a corner. This allows the stockade wall to connect to the middle of blockhouse wall, increasing the ability to defend to wall - more to the blockhouse is outside the wall and you can position more shooters protecting that wall.

Ken......what a great site...thank you....not only do they describe the blockade...they tell you why it was made like that.

That site has a wealth of information....on all types of fortifications....thank you so much.

You've given me a lot of ideas....but I think I'm going to try and replicate John's or Barzso's blockade as much as I can.

I planned on putting the Jenkin's log cabin and Jenkin's Ranger's hut inside the compound....so I kind of want them to match. I'm pretty sure I will stick with horizontal walls and try to match John's paint.

If anybody can give me measurements on John's blockhouse...I would appreciate it.

1) the overall height of both floors
2) the exterior dimensions of the ground floor
3) the exterior dimensions of the bigger top floor

Thanks Ken
 
I will get you the dimensions of JJ's blockhouse. And not that it counts, I would vote to replicate Barzso or mix Barzso and JJs elements as appropriate.
 
I will get you the dimensions of JJ's blockhouse. And not that it counts, I would vote to replicate Barzso or mix Barzso and JJs elements as appropriate.

Thanks Ken...I would appreciate those measurements when you get time...I'll make you a deal....whatever I do....it will be a combination of John's/Barszo's and my own.....probably not resembling theirs or what I hope to do in my head, lol.:eek:
 
Total Height Both Floors, Roof Off = 5.5 inches

Lower Level:

Inside Length Width, Lower Floor = 3.8 x 5.25 inches
Outside Length Width, Lower Floor = 4.8 x 6.3 inches
Outside Height, Lower Floor = 2.9 inches
Inside has a floor 0.2 inches thick

Upper Level

Inside Length Width, Upper Floor = 5.3 x 6.7
Outside Length Width, Upper Floor = 6.3 x 7.8 inches
Inside Height, Upper Floor Wall = 2.1, but roof now pitching up
Outside Height, Upper Floor Wall = 2.6 of which 0.2 is floor and 0.3 hanging beams (lip that holds first and second floor together - lateral direction).

Second floor overhang, between 1st and 2nd floors = 0.65 inches.

Roof:

Roof Outside is 9.1 x 7.8 inches
Roof Lip, sofet, 1.3 inches flat then pitch starts in the interior roof wall. The soffet sits on the top of the 2nd floor walls all the way around.
Roof height is 3.2 inches of which 0.2 inches is beams that form a lip on top of the second floor.
Roof Overhang is 0.5 inches all the way around.


Door 2.5 x 1.3 inches
Bottom Window 1.5 inches from bottom window sill to the ground

Upper Floor Window Spacing: Long Wall
0 - Wall 0.6, 0.6 WINDOW 1.9, 1.9 wall 2.7, 2.7 WINDOW 3.9, 3.9 Wall 4.8., 4.8 WINDOW 6.0, 6.0 to 6.7 Wall

Upper Floor Window Spacing: Short Wall

0 - 0.9 Wall, 0.9 Window 1.9, 1.9 Wall 3.4, 3.4 Window 4.4, 4.4 Wall 5.3

Johns Walls are generally 0.5 inches thick on the Blockhouse. Assembled total height about 9 inches, maybe a tad less.

Internal plank work and internal beams should be visible on some sites.

The outside wall dimensions given are not corner dimensions, but cross-sections. That way the "bubble" where the logs overlap are not involved.
 

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