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johnnybach

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Having just begun painting some new sets of 30mm Flat "Knights" - I thought some might care to take a look at what I'm doing, once again.

I bought two sets of Flat Knights - by post - from Zinnfiguren Schmalkalden in Germany. I found the web-site on the Internet - and was impressed enough to try my hand at a bit of ordering in German - only to get a reply in pretty good English. The gist of which was to send some Euros by IBAN ( which is an International Bank transfer, for those not in the know!).

After my Bank advised me that this would cost me £25 - I did a bit of negotiating with the owner of Schmalkalden - and a deal was struck to use Paypal for my purchase - which saved me a cool £21 - and just days later, I was in posession of a signed for package, which contained two sets of Knights: "Famous Knights of England" - and "Knights of the Garter". The whole lot comprised 31 figures - all bright and shiny and just waiting for a dab or two of paint.

Find them here: http://www.schmalkalder-zinnfiguren.de/index.php?cat=c111_beruehmte-Ritter-Englands.html.

Just right click on the page to get an English translation option. Left Click on each figure picture to get an enlargement.

My first pic shows the first four out of the box. A slight snag with this purchase - is that there is no painting guide for colours etc., - but fortunately - we now have the web - and these guys are pretty well known, so tunic details like coats of arms are usually to be found - somewhere. A few pleasant nights were spent looking up and then downloading details to a new file - and I had enough to work with

The Standard Bearer holding the Royal Standard of King Richard II is Sir Simon de Felbrigg, which I began first ( which is why he is furthest developed). I found a picture of a stained glass window in a Church on the web - which showed his shield - which gave me the colours of red for the rampant lion with Ivory background. The Standard was easy to find too. ( see below).

So..............out with the paint brushes and paints - and after quite a lay-off from painting - back in the saddle again!

As usual, I forgot to take any pics before starting - so here goes with a couple - to show how they develop.



Compare the completed figure of Sir Simon in the next pic - which also shows two of the figures developing further - and one new one of Sir William Wallace ---- English Knight??????^&grin), whom I've just begun - so is least developed.



I hope you can see from these two pics - how each figure develops in detail from initial coats - to further coats being applied to build up the detail. As usual, my preference is for gloss paint - to give a glossy finished figure - so I'm using mostly Humbrol and Revell enamels - with some Artist oil paints from tubes - to mix shades.

I'll continue to post how things are developing, from time to time, so you can follow along with how I'm doing, and how far my 31 figures have come along. So........one completed - 30 to go!:D

See you later - jb
 
JB! well done my friend! the Standard Bearer is an absolutely beautifully done and Sir John and wife is superb! I struggle to decide which I like more. :salute::
Ray
 
Hello JB,

It's good to have you back painting and generally creating mayhem on this site! I always enjoy your postings!:)

Rgds Victor
 
JB! well done my friend! the Standard Bearer is an absolutely beautifully done and Sir John and wife is superb! I struggle to decide which I like more. :salute::
Ray

Hi Ray! - yes, it's funny how "likes" can change whilst painting. I too found myself warming to Sir John (1st Baron of Arundel) - and his wife Eleanor. At first, I thought she was handing him a drink - but after painting a bit more detail - I found that she was actually handing him a "favour" - or a piece of material - used whilst at a tournee to indicate the sponsorship from a loved one.

John was appointed Lord Marshall of England in 1377 by King Richard II. He came to a rather sad end though, being drowned at sea off the Irish Coast! I like them a lot more now - should complete them later today. Glad you approve. :Djb
 
Hello JB,

It's good to have you back painting and generally creating mayhem on this site! I always enjoy your postings!:)

Rgds Victor

Hi Vic! Just changed brushes really - swapping a six inch one for a 4/0! Hope to cause a bit more mayhem later when a few more get started! ;) jb
 
Very nice, John! You're stepping into a wide world, indeed. There are many, many editors of flats depicting knights, so you have such a great variety to choose from. And such detail is available, too! I'll be following this with interest.

Prost!
Brad
 
Very nice, John! You're stepping into a wide world, indeed. There are many, many editors of flats depicting knights, so you have such a great variety to choose from. And such detail is available, too! I'll be following this with interest.

Prost!
Brad

Well Brad, I guess you already know that I've had a longish love affair with their bigger brothers on the Medieval scene for quite a while - which I hope will continue. However, I do find the tiny challenges offered by the 30mm scene very attractive too.

30mm are not always easy to get at though - due to their geographical location, in part - and the language/cultural barriers - such as ordering and paying for them. There seems to be a distinct liking for the more expensive option of sending money by IBAN from German Suppliers - which bizarrely, can sometimes frequently cost more than the items being ordered from England.

Incidentally, these particular figures cost around just €2 apiece - which is excellent value for money - as they are beautifully detailed and cast. All 31 were well under €80 including shipping - but my English Bank wanted the Sterling equivalent of €35 just to transfer the money!!! I have no wish to contribute that amount of cash - to fuel the telephone number bonuses of their CEO's!

Luckily, the suppliers accepted Paypal, after an exchange of e-mails ( thank goodness for online translation- and after I agreed to pay their Paypal charge of just €5) - so that I could order them that way.

I'm still struggling with another maker in Germany, however, who produce a wonderful series of 88 figures depicting "The Battle of Crecy" - engraved by Wolfgang Friedrich. I know that some of the figures from this large set are available from retailers like berlin-Zinn - but at nearly double the manufacturers prices. That's why I prefer to buy directly from the people who produce them - wherever possible.

Maybe it's just as well it's not easier - as these will keep me occupied for a while!:D Glad you like 'em - as I'm certainly enjoying painting, once again. jb
 
Hi, John, you might like to try Berliner Zinnfiguren, too. They're easy to deal with. I get figures from them, that are hard to find outside of Germany. They have a number of old (and new) lines of flats, including Scholtz' father's line, and many others, as well as a bustling flea market area.

Prost!
Brad
 
Hi, John, you might like to try Berliner Zinnfiguren, too. They're easy to deal with. I get figures from them, that are hard to find outside of Germany. They have a number of old (and new) lines of flats, including Scholtz' father's line, and many others, as well as a bustling flea market area.

Prost!
Brad

Hi again Brad. Yes - I'm already on their mailing list - and get the Flea market info that way - and online: That's the one I was referring to when I mentioned Berlin-Zinn.

The figures I'm after - by Friedrich - are there on the Berlin-Zinnfiguren lists alright (well, some of them). However, they usually split them up into "packets" of some six to seven figures - at around double the price of the original engraver ( I have his online catalogue which shows his prices). So far, they've only shown a fraction of the full set - which comprises 88 figures.

I also have his Wolfgang Friedrich's e-mail address, (courtesy of OUR Wolfgang) - but he seems reluctant to answer my order queries - as mentioned.

No problem though - as you correctly say, there are loads of this genre around - and I'm building up a good relationship with those who I've persevered with - and eventually ordered from - usually by Paypal. Zinnfiguren Scmalkalder also have other Knights available in their other ranges - so I'll have plenty more to choose from - once these are completed - and I'll persevere with Herr Friedrich anyway. jb
 
Had a pretty good run at my figures today - so got quite a bit done. Here's another pic - which shows the two central figures of Sir John with his wife Eleanor, now completed - to join up with Simon. Both of the outside figures are not quite completed - but not far off - just some details to finish off - before varnishing, to seal everything in, and enhance the gloss finish.

The figure far left is Sir John Warenne, Earl of Surrey, (1286-1347), whilst the far right figure is Sir Edmund Crouchback, second son of King Henry III and Earl of Leicester.



My next pic is of four more that have been started - and at different stages of development. On some - just the main colours have been blocked in - whilst others have had more detail added. From the left there are;

Sir John Peche - shown here in Parade Armour - around 1520.
Sir William Wallace - A Scottish Knight - and one of the leaders in the Scottish Wars for independance.
Sir Humphrey de Bohun, Earl of Hereford
Prince John Plantaganet of Eltham, second son of Edward II and earl of Cornwall.





jb
 
Cheers Ray, (and others who "liked" too)^&grin - here's an update on some of the figures from these sets, so far, showing two more completed - and added to my previous ones.

At the very top is Sir john Peche - who is in the baroque style Parade Armour, which was very fashionable at that time (circa 1520), and really just for show. The armour on man and horse was totally unsuited for real combat - being made as light as was practible - and used before tournaments - when participants paraded before the spectators. I've painted him in golden armour - but his horse displays his true Coat of arms - which originally had small styalised angels on the rampant lions - but far too tiny for me to attempt at this scale.

The figure to the right of Sir Simon - the Standard bearer for King Richard II - is Sir William Wallace, the Scottish Knight, again displaying his true coat of Arms on his rearing horse.

These are really tremendous castings - and the engraving is just fabulous - as I hope you can see, and a great help to the painter.

Another four developing - so will be back with some more later..........:D jb

 
Very nice JB , but the flash does hide some of the detail
Ray

Sorry Ray - I'm not the best photographer - I tried to get them all in on one pic. I think the white backgound and slight focus problem also didn't help.

here's a couple more of the two newer ones - is that clearer? jb



 
Here's another pic of a figure on the right - which I've just completed. He was drying out on the top of a radiator when I took my last photo. He's Prince John Plantaganet of Eltham, Earl of Cornwall - and the second son of King Edward II and his wife, Queen Isabella. John was just 20 years old when he died - (1316-1336). He is shown here bearing the Arms of The Earl of Cornwall. Note his crown - as befits a Prince of the Realm.

I have added in the figure of Sir Edmund Crouchbank - which you've seen earlier - to show how similar the figures are. That's the reason I gave him a grey horse.

I've also added in the pair of figures (on one base) who is Lord Oliver d'Ingham, who was Seneschal (governor) of Aquitane - which was the Southern French Province in English hands at the time (c.1325), riding along with his squire in attendance. Just started him off today, so is in the early stages of development. I will be building up the colours and shading as he develops. A rather nice casting, this one, I think. jb


 
Meanwhile, two near neighbours - Baron Ralph de Monthermer, Earl of Gloucester, with drawn sword - appears to be taking on Sir Humphrey de Bohun, Earl of Hereford armed with a lance.

Careful Ralphie - as if Humph doesn't miss - you may get the point a bit quicker than you anticipated!{sm2} jb



 
Which leaves my current crop of "Famous Knights of England", looking like this: (supressed flash, this time, to reduce glare).

[ Note that these are still developing - as I frequently re-visit pieces and sometimes change my mind about additions and modifications. I frequently notice things that need attention - when posting photos here - as they are, of course, many times larger than the actual pieces, which average about 2 inches high, for a mounted figure]. jb

 
One more completed figure to show for today ( along with a couple more underway on either side).

Centre figure is a really nice casting - which has taken me about a week to get to this stage. Little and often is the way to go with these. It's another double figure on one base - with the knight being Sir John Marny - along with his Herald announcing him - and both having a handful of horse to control. Again, this is mainly a Parade figure - so I gave him a very pretty coloured horse. Quite a complicated figure and Coat of Arms, this one - which I may revisit later, in order to clean it up a bit.

To the left of the top pic - is Sir Henry "Hotspur" Percy; whilst to the right is Sir Richard Neville "The Kingmaker" Earl of Warwick, with another really complicated coat of Arms - which at this scale is a challenge!{sm2} Both begun today - with first coats of paint blocked in.

jb





 
Hello JB,

Really nice set of thematic knights that you are building up there. I particularly liked Sir John Marny. Just my opinion, but I think tht your pics with the white bkgd are nicer than that unusual purple haze bkgd, or is it my imagination...?:)

Rgds Victor
 
Simply Outstanding JB! a very impressive body of work your putting together, Bravo!!!
Ray
 

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