Napoleon in Egypt - Part 2 releases (1 Viewer)

[Obee]

Hi,

This weekend I have been pouring over the pages from COLLETCORS #30 looking at the new figures that will be forthcoming in the Napoleon in Egypt range, nad I have been most impressd with one figure in particular, show here on the far right.

he's the guy in the an outlandish 'uniform': a dragoon coat (therefore green) laced with gold at all seams, with crimson mameluke trousers.

I thought I'd do some research about him, and 'lo and beold' he has turned out to be:

Chief bandsman of the Guard of General in Chief Leclerc in Saint-Domingue, 1802
I have found 2 references to that uniform :

OSPREY Men At Arms #221 Napoleon's Overseas Army
Dragons et Guides by Cdt Bucquoy ( a French publication from the series Les Uniforms du Premier Empire)

Here is a plate from that book.

Is seems that Charles Victoire Emmanuel Leclerc (17 March 1772, Pontoise - 2 November 1802) was a French Army general and husband to Pauline Bonaparte, sister to Napoleon Bonaparte.

But he didn't serve in Egypt, but in the Alpine and Italian campaigns and then was in 1798, made Leclerc a général de division and sent him to the armée du Rhin under Moreau. In 1802 he led the expedition to re-establish control over the French colony of Saint-Domingue (now Haïti) but fell victim to the yellow fever which effectively destroyed the French army.

Therefore I'd like to know why is this figure in the Egyptian desert?

I think its a great figures, love the pose, the colour and he sure looks like he fits into the scene AND I will be getting him for my collection ..... but is this another misname like the 'dragoon' of NE10 who in fact a Guide.

Something to ponder on ????

John

 

[The Military Workshop]

John,
Well done on finding the uniform source.

If he is wearing mameluke trousers does this not suggest he might have served in Egypt ? Your research concerns the figures commanding General but not the bandsman himself. I can not see why he could not have served in Egypt in that uniform prior to serving under the General (who did not serve in Egypt).

Just my thoughts as I have no reference to back me up.

Regards
Brett

 

[mario]

I collect only WW2,but I have to say ,,very,very nice piece!!!!!,,
mario:smile2:

 

[villagehorse]

Nice research all the same John. He will joining my collection shortly, correctly clothed or not as I know very little about this campaign, except from 2 books and a dvd purchased a few months ago to attempt to come up to speed. Love the backdrop stone work also. Cheers, Robin.

 

[Obee]

Brett,

your thoughts are mine too.... maybe I'll wait and see what Andy describes him as, but like you say, he could have sourced his trousers in the Cairo Bazzar AND musicians of that time did wear some flamboyant uniforms!

Love this series

John

 

[The Military Workshop]

Robin and John,

Yes it is a colourful series. Actually time I went Googling about the campaign as don't know much apart from Battle of the Nile.

Regards
Brett

 

[The Military Workshop]

Done {sm4}
Battle of the Pyramids sounds interesting but how big will a Pyramid be in 1/30 scale{eek3}

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Done {sm4}
Battle of the Pyramids sounds interesting but how big will a Pyramid be in 1/30 scale{eek3}

the base would be about 8m or 24 ft. You could fit one inside your store {sm4}

Terry

 

[Phantom Warrior]

I like the soldier with the sun shade frame. I'm going to add him to the soldier reading the stone on the ground and the drinking soldier

Terry

 

[The Military Workshop]

"the base would be about 8m or 24 ft. You could fit one inside your store".

Thanks Terry. I better cancel that special diorama commission I sent to Gordon {sm2}

 

[Phantom Warrior]

"the base would be about 8m or 24 ft. You could fit one inside your store".

Thanks Terry. I better cancel that special diorama commission I sent to Gordon {sm2}

Don't you have a back yard? You could rent it out to a pssychic - power of the pyramid {sm4}

Terry

 

[The Military Workshop]

Ah yes, I need to tap into a new collector base. The ones who like pyramids, crystals, fairies and incense. Should work well. I could even rent out my Pyramid for sleepovers. Gordon ignore last message and carry on{sm4}

Terry you are a genius.

 

[Napoleon1er]

About the pants- these could have also been worn in the Caribbean by native troops, as it was a popular style.
-Sandor:salute::

 

[Capitolron]

I really love these new releases and look forward to collecting this Napoleonic Range - great cross over opportunities with LOJ range. It inspired me to get back to my collection !!

Nice being back and reading posts from old friends.

 

[Obee]

About the pants- these could have also been worn in the Caribbean by native troops, as it was a popular style.
-Sandor:salute::

From the resources I have available, the French 'native' troops wore French Style Uniforms, much like the standard Infantry, it was only musicians who wore the more outlandish coloured and styled uniforms...... thats why I love bands

For example these lead Army bandsmen I have painted

Line Infantry 9th Regiment Bandsman, 3rd Regt. Imperial Guard (Dutch Grenadier) -Cymbalist and Jingling Johnny, Line Infantry 67th Regiment Bandsman

Light Infantry 17th Regiment Band Drum-major 1809,1st Foot Guard Grenadiers Band: Musician with Jingling Johnny 1807 & Drum Major 1805

John

 

[Napoleon1er]

From the resources I have available, the French 'native' troops wore French Style Uniforms, much like the standard Infantry, it was only musicians who wore the more outlandish coloured and styled uniforms...... thats why I love bands

For example these lead Army bandsmen I have painted

Line Infantry 9th Regiment Bandsman, 3rd Regt. Imperial Guard (Dutch Grenadier) -Cymbalist and Jingling Johnny, Line Infantry 67th Regiment Bandsman

Light Infantry 17th Regiment Band Drum-major 1809,1st Foot Guard Grenadiers Band: Musician with Jingling Johnny 1807 & Drum Major 1805

John

Good point! However, if we want to push it a bit, our soldier could have borrowed it from a non French native troop, or a French musician. BUT, over all that, those bandsmen are just..... BEAUTIFUL! Oh, to have a full Guard band WITH native musicians. The Frontline one is 200th on my list
-Sandor

 

[Obee]

Oh, to have a full Guard band WITH native musicians. The Frontline one is 200th on my list
-Sandor

Yes, like you I have thought about the Frontline Band, but the cost was well above my budget, even when i saw it on special with an Aussie dealer recently.

Therefore I have painted my own bands.

I have

1er Regiment de Grenadiers a Pied using Prince August and supplimented with Dorset instruments

Band of 3rd Infantry Regiment, Naples, 1810 from Dorset Soldiers

Band of The Coldstream Guards 1815 by Tradition of London

AND still to paint is the 3er Regiment de Grenadiers a Pied (Dutch Grenadiers) also by Tradition. I was lucky to obtain the full set (30), and some extras (10)at the London Show last June when it was being retired, so thats yet another task awating me out on the workbench.

John