Napoleonic Variations (1 Viewer)

[wellington]

Just wondered what Napoleonic collectors bought the new variation sets? I have noticed that there are many sets still available......These were made in VERY limited numbers and I'm a little supprised that there are many sets left!!!!!! It concerns me as to how many Napoleonic collectors there really are out there. You wouldn't find this type of thing in the WW2 sets. It really doesn't change my mind about them they are worth every penny.....just an observation. Anyone care to add their 2 cents worth.

I wonder if Andy got the answers he was looking for?


Cheers
WELLINGTON.....

 

[wellington]

Perhaps it was just my imagination..... I think if you are a Napoleonic collector of K&C it was a wise choice to have purchased the sets.

Cheers
WELLINGTON

 

[Steven Chong]

Just wondered what Napoleonic collectors bought the new variation sets? I have noticed that there are many sets still available ...

First, I purchased all of the new variation sets. However, I wondered why you think many of these sets are still available? Just looking at the Treefrog website, 5 of the variants are sold out. If you ask why the other variants have not sold out at Treefrog, I would guess most of the poses lack the animation typically found in recent K&C releases. Even though the painting is better, the castings are still Del Prado castings that were sculpted to fit in the flat plastic boxes attached to the Del Prado publication.

 

[wellington]

Perhaps it is the castings didn't think of that...each dealer only received 10 of each and I find it hard to believe given the rarety of them that all 10 of each set can't be sold out. I don't mind a FEW none action figures for fillers in camp scenes but not alot. My non action figures are waiting for the french calvary around the table scene....they will look like they have stopped on horse back while passing to join in on the conversation at the table....

Cheers
WELLINGTON

PS A few dealers I deal with at first told me they were all sold out now I see they have figures fom all 10, low in numbers of course....who knows maybe when push came to shove some collectors didn't have the money or they purchased something else...they were on back order for a while at my dealer.

Cheers
Wellington

 

[CannonFodder1971]

There seem to be quite a few out there, but then again I just took at quick look for the Strictly Limited Dragoons and sure enough, I found them too:

http://www.unioncove.com/zKC_NW.htm

If only 350 each of these were produced and they're taking this long to sell out then I think the KCS may take a while too, notwithstanding the fact that the latter were produced in small quantities.

 

[bsager]

Hey Guys,

Tha Napoleonic series was a limited series and each figure had a production of between 200-400 each. Each dealer was allowed a maximum order of 10 each. The dealers did not all buy 10 each which is why the range in numbers of each piece. I do not know of any dealers that have any left. I have 1 full set still available and have a collector that may purchase it at this moment. The demand for this series was very high and I wish I had bought more than I did. After I placed my initial order I sent in a second order 2 days later and I was told there were no more available and the series was retired.

I hope this answers the questions about this series.

Thanks,
Bill Sager

 

[CannonFodder1971]

There seem to be quite a few out there, but then again I just took at quick look for the Strictly Limited Dragoons and sure enough, I found them too:

http://www.unioncove.com/zKC_NW.htm

If only 350 each of these were produced and they're taking this long to sell out then I think the KCS may take a while too, notwithstanding the fact that the latter were produced in small quantities.

Sorry just to add an example of a dealers who still has the KCS, try Craig McClain:

http://www.oldtoysoldierhome.com/king.htm

 

[sceic2]

To me the reason why these are not sold-out is apparent and obvious. There are not as many passionate Napoleonic collectors as there are for other series, like WWII for example. When the demand is greater than the supply, prices go up. That's the point in limited or special releases.

I have a set of the Dragoons and the most recent KCS releases and I really am glad I bought them. Do I expect them to increase in value the same way a limited release WWII set like the winter tiger? No, because I understand the current after-retail market. I did not buy them for their after-market value; I bought them to collect and to enjoy them.

I have a different approach to this question of popular or not popular (sold out or not sold out). My inquiring mind wants to know what is the theory being tested with the release of this so called “experimental group?” A quote from Bob Sagers’ site http://www.toysoldiersusa.com/cgi-l...EONIC SERIES&subsubcategory=EXPERIMENTAL SETS “This is a short run series and was produced as an experimental group for testing will be very limited in numbers.”

1. To have an experiment, one should have a theory to prove or to disprove; what is the theory being tested?

2. Also, to have an experiment, one should have a control group to use as a standard to compare results with the experimental group; what is the control group and what is the experimental group being examined?

Just another inquiring mind, Michael.

 

[wellington]

I agree that there are many more pasionate WW2 collectors BUT we are only talking about 350 per set. Maitland Toy Soldiers also has several for sale still.

Cheers
WELLINGTON

 

[Steven Chong]

... 1. To have an experiment, one should have a theory to prove or to disprove; what is the theory being tested?

2. Also, to have an experiment, one should have a control group to use as a standard to compare results with the experimental group; what is the control group and what is the experimental group being examined? ...

From reading previous posts by Andy, I understood the KCS pieces were repaints of castings produced by K&C for Del Prado -- these pieces were painted to a higher standard than that of Del Prado, with an arm or head repositioned. To see whether people would buy repainted Del Prado castings, they were initially sold only from the Hong Kong store and not advertised. They were successful enough where Andy decided to produce more and offer them to the rest of the world.

I believe the "theory" being tested is whether K&C collectors would pay K&C prices for repaints of Del Prado castings. If many dealers besides Bill have stock, then the answer may be "no." The "control" group would be comparable sales of Napoleonic pieces sculpted by K&C for itself.

 

[wellington]

Yes they are varients of Del Prado.....and maybe we should have our heads read for paying more money for the same figures from K&C, well almost the same figures!!! Really they are very nice but would prefer new sculpts from K&C in the future, otherwise it maybe a first for me not buying a set from the Napoleonic series. I pay more money for K&C because of there quality and I would prefer them to stay apart from a cheaper line.

Cheers
WELLINGTON

 

[sceic2]

Thanks Steven, I think you put all the pieces together for me in a clear manner. I suspected some of the same answers but as you know, it always brings confidence to ones own assumptions with their validation by facts (uh?). Michael

 

[howelltrh]

I bought a number of the variant versions (a dozen of the line dragoons and four guard chasseurs). They are better than the Del Prado editions, which is to say, very nice indeed. I will definitely buy more if there are additional Napoleonic variants.